[sci.misc] SAS, PSTAT, and SPSS-X statistical packages under Unix

blinn@furilo.dec.com.UUCP (04/02/87)

In a message to sci.math.stat and sci.misc posted 30 Mar 87 16:04:31 GMT,
Douglas Clark of Bath University in the UK wrote.. 
 
> When we get our new UNIX machine next year I am interested in the possibility
> of bringing in either SAS or PSTAT as an alternative to SPSS-X. I understand
> that SAS can, as at Cambridge University, cause system problems if not
> installed on specific IBM machines and would welcome comments thereon.
> I have the impression that Roald Buhler's PSTAT acts well in interactive
> situations but have the impression that he is a one-man-band. But my real
> problem is that I don't really know much about what users can actually do
> with these packages. Any information is welcome. Or should we stick to SPSS-X.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
> -- 
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I've worked with Roald Buhler in the past, and while it's true that he has
a rather small company, he is very dedicated to what he's doing, and he is
very good at porting his software to a wide variety of environments, so
there's a good chance that he'll be able to get it running on the Unix
environment you're going to have (you didn't say in your message WHICH Unix
system you'll be getting -- they are not all the same, you know..).  Almost
all of the P-STAT code is written in ANSI Fortran, so if you've got a good
ANSI Fortran compiler on the target system, you should get reasonably good
performance.  P-STAT is a fairly complete package, with plenty of useful
stuff for users.  It works well both interactively and in batch.  

I believe that most of the SPSS-X system is written in ANSI Fortran, as
well, with some routines (typically I/O) written in some other language
(often Assembler) for specific target machines.  (I used to maintain the
SPSS conversion for Burroughs Medium Systems under MCPV, back in the days
before SPSS-X; much of the SPSS code was used in building SPSS-X, albeit
with a new user interface.)  So, it's possible that there will be an SPSS-X
for the environment you're going to have.  You should ask SPSS, Inc. about
this BEFORE you get the Unix system and discover that SPSS doesn't run on
it.  They are much less interested in outside conversions of their code
than they were in the past, and if they don't have access to the target,
they may not have done the conversion.  Once again, not all Unixes are the
same.  I gather from your posting that you're already familiar with SPSS-X. 

As for SAS, I'll be amazed if they have it running under Unix.  Much of the
code in SAS is (or at least was) written in PL/I, and I don't think there
are any Unix implementations with a production quality PL/I compiler.  So,
if you're in the mood for SAS, you should ask SAS Institute whether their
software will run on the system you're purchasing.  Some problems have been
observed by VAX/VMS sites running SAS, but these appear to be due to some
constraints in the way the software is installed, not due to any inherent
deficiency in either the SAS software or the VAX/VMS environment. Since the
SAS conversion for the VAX/VMS environment is relatively new, it's not
surprising to see some "teething pains".  I can't speak for any other SAS
environments.  SAS is a very complete and powerful package.

In many cases, people choose the computer system based on whether or not it
will run the software they want, rather than choosing the software based on
the computer system they're stuck with.  The former is the better approach. 

Obviously, you should get the user documentation for all three of these
packages and compare it.  I think you'll find that they all provide all of
the basics, but differ in some of the more esoteric routines, as well as in
the user interface to their facilities for data management / manipulation.
Choice of statistical package is a lot like choice of religion -- each has
its vocal adherents as well as vocal critics.  In the end, you pays your
money and you takes your pick. 

Standard disclaimer about the above being my personal understanding, and
not in any way the official position of my employer. 

Regards and good luck!

Tom

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