beckenba@cit-vax.Caltech.Edu (Joe Beckenbach) (03/15/88)
-- [My apologies for removing the standard '>' in my included material; somehow I have to get around my site's injunction that more new stuff should appear than included from previous postings.] The debate has raged in skeptics for a while about the validity of the Majestic-12 documents. From Phoenix, AZ comes some new evidence: ++++ begin included text Skeptics Digest Sunday, 13 Mar 1988 Number 14 Today's Topics: Operation Majestic-12 (3 messages) Zen Master Rama ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sunday, 13 March 1988 14:18 est From: James J. Lippard <Lippard at HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS> Subject: MJ-12 To: skeptics at BCO-MULTICS I recommend reading "The MJ-12 Crashed-Saucer Documents" by Philip J. Klass, pp. 137-146 in the Winter 1987-88 issue of the Skeptical Inquirer. This is the first of two articles on the subject by Klass. The MJ-12 documents were released to the public on May 29, 1987 by William L. Moore, Stanton Friedman, and Jamie Shandera. These documents claim that the U.S. government recoverd a crashed flying saucer and four extraterrestrials in mid-1947 (as Moore claimed in his 1980 book THE ROSWELL INCIDENT, co-authored with Charles Berlitz). The documents also describe the recovery of another crashed saucer from Dec. 6, 1950 on the Texas-Mexico border. The documents claim that on Sep. 24, 1947, President Truman created a top-secret panel of 12 scientists, military leaders, and intelligence officials called Operation Majestic-12 (MJ-12). This panel was to examine the crashed saucer. The claims are made in three documents: 1. A "Top Secret" memo from Truman to Defense Secretary Forrestal, dated Sep. 24, 1947, authorizing MJ-12. 2. A "Top Secret/Eyes Only" MJ-12 document used to brief President Eisenhower, dated Nov. 18, 1952. 3. A "Top Secret" memo from Robert Cutler, special assistant to Eisenhower, to General Nathan Twining, USAF chief of staff, dated July 14, 1954. Moore claims that #1 and #2 were received in mid-Dec 1984 by Jamie Shandera, an LA TV writer-producer, on an undeveloped roll of 35mm film, from an anonymous sender. Moore has refused to send Klass a photocopy of the postmark of the envelope. Shandera immediately contacted Moore even before the film was processed, without knowing what was on it. This immediately raises several questions. 1. Why would the film be sent to Shandera, who is not a UFOlogist? 2. Why did Shandera know the film would be of interest to Moore even before it was developed? The contents of these two documents raise further questions of authenticity. The Eisenhower briefing document indicate that the briefing officer was Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, who was head of the CIA in 1947 when MJ-12 was allegedly created. But in fall of 1950 Hillenkoetter left the CIA to return to sea duty as commander of the Seventh Task Force and did not return for duty until late 1951 to become commander of the Third Naval District in New York. Why would he brief Eisenhower rather than the chairman of MJ-12, who had remained in the U.S. since 1947? The dates in this document are *all* of the form "18 November, 1952". Standard date style is "November 18, 1952", standard military style is "18 November 1952". Who uses the form "18 November, 1952"? William Moore. Single-digit dates in the document are also all preceded by zeros, a practice not used (by the military) in 1952 and only in limited use today. Who uses dates of the form "01 August, 1950"? William Moore (who started putting the zeros on single-digit dates in 1983--about a year before the film was sent to Shandera). The other document which was on the film, the Truman memo, has an authentic Truman signature. However, this could easily have been put on with the aid of photocopying. Moore and Friedman had both visited the Truman Library in Independence, Missouri prior to the mailing of the film to Shandera. The Truman memo differs significantly from all other Truman memos of the time period. The MJ-12 memo was composed on a relatively inexpensive typewriter with a worn ribbon and keys that had not been recently cleaned, unlike all other Truman memos of the time. Truman was also blunt and to the point, but the MJ-12 memo contains verbiage like "It continues to be my feeling that any future considerations relative to the ultimate disposition of this matter should rest solely with the Office of the President following appropriate discussions with yourself, Dr. Bush and the Director of Central Intelligence." Finally, in all genuine Truman letters to cabinet members, he begins "My Dear Secretary Foo" and puts the full name and address of the recipient in the lower left corner of the page. In the MJ-12 memo, the lower left corner does not have Forrestal's name, title, and address, and the memo begins "Dear Secretary Forrestal". The third document, the Cutler/Twining memo, was allegedly discovered by Moore in July 1985 in a box of declassified documents at the National Archives. Moore mentioned this document at a 1985 MUFON conference, but did not release it to the public for two years. More curious is that Moore did not give any copies of these documents to Stanton Friedman, his principal collaborator, until 1987. More on this later. The National Archives has looked into the matter of this memo. Their investigation (reported in a letter dated July 22, 1987, from Jo Ann Williamson, chief of the military reference branch of the National Archives, which I have typed in as a separate message) showed many problems with this document. Back to the point about Moore not informing Friedman for two years. In May 1984, British UFOlogist Timothy Good told the British news media about the MJ-12 documents, which he said he had obtained from a "reliable American source." Moore refuses to say if he was this source, but it seems fairly clear that he was. It is curious that Good received copies before Friedman. Klass, who was in Phoenix last weekend to give a lecture at ASU, proposed the theory that Moore was "trying out" the documents on another subject before giving them to Friedman. All alleged MJ-12 members are dead. The documents correspond directly to Moore's theories of coverup (e.g. in 1982 at a Toronto MUFON conference, Moore said that Dr. Vannevar Bush, president of the Carnegie Institution, would have been a good choice to set up a project dealing with a crashed UFO. The Truman memo has MJ-12 set up by Bush and Forrestal.) One of the alleged MJ-12 members was Dr. Donald Menzel, well-known as a UFO skeptic. He has written extensively debunking UFOs. (Some UFOlogists, such as John Lear, have stated that they think Philip Klass is a member of present-day MJ-12.) Citizens Against UFO Secrecy, which accuses the government of a UFO-coverup, characterized the MJ-12 documents in the September 1987 issue of its newsletter Just Cause as "a grand deception and, consequently, a giant black eye on the face of UFOlogy." I heard a rumor last weekend (from a MUFON person) that William Moore is quitting the UFOlogy business for unknown reasons. Jim Lippard Lippard at BCO-MULTICS ------------------------------ Date: Sunday, 13 March 1988 15:21 est From: James J. Lippard <Lippard at HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS> Subject: MJ-12: National Archives letter To: skeptics at BCO-MULTICS The following is the complete text of the National Archives letter from Jo Ann Williamson. National Archives____________________________________________________ <seal> Washington, DC 20408 Date : July 22, 1987 Reply to Attn of : Military Reference Branch Subject : Reference Report on MJ-12 To : The Record The National Archives has received many requests for documentation and information about "Project MJ-12". Many of the inquiries concern a memorandum from Robert Cutler to General Nathan Twining, dated July 14, 1954. This particular document poses problems for the following reasons: 1. The document was located in Record Group 341, entry 267. The series is filed by a Top Secret register number. This document does not bear such a number. 2. The document is filed in the folder T4-1846. There are no other documents in the folder regarding "NSC/MJ-12". 3. The Military Reference Branch (Edward Reese) has conducted a search in the records of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Headquarters US Air Force, and in other related files. No further information has been found on this subject. 4. Inquiries to the US Air Force, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the National Security Council failed to produce further information. 5. The Acting Director of the Freedom of Information Office of the National Security Council informed us that "Top Secret Restricted Information" is a marking which did not come into use at the National Security Council until the Nixon Administration. The Eisenhower Presidential Library also confirms that this particular marking was not used during the Eisenhower Administration. 6. The document in question does not bear an official government letterhead or watermark. The NARA conservation specialist (Mary Ritzenthaler) examined the paper and determined it was a ribbon copy prepared on "dictation onionskin". The Eisenhower Library has examined its collection of Cutler papers. All documents created by Mr. Cutler while he served on the NSC staff have an eagle watermark in the onionskin carbon paper. For the brief period when Mr. Cutler left the NSC, his carbon copies were prepared on "prestige onionskin". 7. The Judicial, Fiscal, and Social Branch searched the Official Meeting Minute Files of the National Security Council and found no record of a NSC meeting on July 16, 1954. A search of all NSC Meeting Minutes for July 1954 found no mention of MJ-12 nor Majestic. 8. The Judicial, Fiscal, and Social Branch (Mary Ronan) searched the indices of the NSC records and found no listing for: MJ-12, Majestic, unidentified flying objects, UFO, flying saucers, or flying discs. 9. The Judicial, Fiscal, and Social Branch (Mary Ronan) found a memo in a folder titled "Special Meeting July 16, 1954" which indicated that NSC members would be called to a civil defense exercise on July 16, 1954. 10. The Eisenhower Library states, in a letter to NNMR, dated July 16, 1987: "President Eisenhower's Appointment Books contain no entry for a special meeting on July 16, 1954 which might have included a briefing on MJ-12. Even when the President had 'off the record' meetings, the Appointment Books contain entries indicating the time of the meeting and the participants... The Declassification Office of the National Security Council has informed us that it has no record of any declassification action having been taken on this memorandum or any other documents on this alleged project... Robert Cutler, at the direction of President Eisenhower, was visiting overseas military installations on the day he supposedly issued this memorandum --- July 14, 1954. The Administration Series in Eisenhower's Papers as President contains Cutler's memorandum and report to the President upon his return from the trip. The memorandum is dated July 20, 1954 and refers to Cutlers visits to installations in Europe and North Africa between July 3 and 15. Also, within the NSC Staff Papers is a memorandum dated july 3, 1954, from Cutler to his two subordinates, James S. Lay and J. Patrick Coyne, explaining how they should handle NSC administrative matters during his absence; one would assume that if the memorandum to Twining were genuine, Lay or Coyne would have signed it." <signature> JO ANN WILLIAMSON Chief, Military Reference Branch Military Archives Division +++ end included text If the Majestic-12 documents were real, then this is indeed a massive coverup. If the Majestic-12 documents are faked, then this is the doings of a man wanting attention no matter what. I'll take the results of Occam's Razor, at least until some really solid, undeniable evidence comes up. Are there any people reading this newsgroup who were in the US military during the Truman years, or have relations who were? Let's get some [yeah, I know, informal] evidence to check on the date assertion given in the National Archives letter. If anyone has access to the Truman Presidential Library, here's a good quick project. Let's have some private cross-checks, shall we? -- Joe Beckenbach (CS BS '??) I'D RATHER BE ORBITING There's more cross-over than you think between groups, even taking this warning into account. :-)