[sci.lang] Indescribably Delicious

berke@CS.UCLA.EDU (09/09/87)

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Personally, I find M&M's indescribably delicious.  I must admit this as
a concept that cannot be expressed in words, or face some contradiction
in terms.  

J.S. Mill, in "A System of logic, Ratiocinative and Inductive,"
(1840, 1865, Sec. 5, p.23) gives another example: 
"A child knows who are its brothers and sisters, long
before it has any definite conception of the nature of the facts which
are involved in the signification of those words."

Another example is a crying baby that can only be comforted by its
mother.  It must be admitted that the baby knows its mother though
it has not learned to speak.  If I speak of concepts as units of
knowledge, I must allow that the baby has some concept of its mother.
Perhaps this is not the best way to speak, of "units of knowledge,"
but so far, it is the only formal (well-defined) way we have of speaking.

It may be observed that I used words to speak about inexpressible
concepts.  This may appear to be confused or contradictory.
Confusion may be avoided by distinguishing between using words to
express a concept and using words to name a concept.
Naming (denoting) a concept is similar to naming (denoting) a 
real object such as the terminal you are sitting at now.  Expressing
a concept (putting it into words) is different than naming (denoting) it.

Church has shown the necessity for abstract objects if one adopts
a Fregean theory of meaning.  The abstract objects, whether called
'concepts' or 'intensionalities', are required by the assumption
that names name (denote) things.

When we use a word, we usually (purport to) denote an object and
express a concept.  There are problems with this.  The main one
is called the 'paradox of the name relation by Church', the
'antinomy of the name relation' by Carnap.  It was discovered
by Frege when he asked "How can A=B, if true, differ in content
from A=A?"   It is commonly thought that Russell's theory of
descriptions solves this paradox, but it does not.  Russell's
theory of meaning requires intensionalities as does Frege's.

Husserl and Korzybski are among the many who have proposed other
explanations of language.  If you compare their writings, you
may notice that Husserl's and Korzybski's are all words, 
while Frege's, Russell's, and Church's have math.  Frege invented
a formal, symbolic, language in which he could
prove and disprove things and not just debate them in words.  Russell too
insisted on the formal expression of logic, and wholly adopted Frege's
language.  Russell linearized it - Frege's was two-dimensional.  Russell added
ramified type theory to avoid certain paradoxes.  

Frege thought up the idea of a variable as a place-holder, and invented
quantification to explain our way of speaking, e.g., "Let x be a
number greater than 5," or "consider all the blue things in your
office."  Previously there was a lot of debate about "arbitrary
objects" and such.  The syntactic approach to language invented
by Frege quickly swept aside all other views of the matter.  There
is very little else that everyone has agreed on ever since Russell
explained Frege's system to the world and used it in Principia 
Mathematica.  Though there has been some recent work trying to 
return to a less syntactic view of language, it has not been
formalized, so much of it remains just opinion.

No other system has been formalized to get around the problems with
Frege's logic.  Husserl and Korzybski among them.  There are, of course,
many writings including these which help us think clearly about words,
they are just not useful in the same sense as Frege's.  This is not
an insult to the other work, just testament to Frege's view of language.
It enabled Goedel to do his work, and Turing to invent computers. I call
that useful.

As explained above, once you admit concepts as abstract entities, 
the problem is 
not the existence of inexpressible concepts.  Not all objects can
be named (denoted) in a given language.  E.g., the real numbers are
more numerous than names for them.  So we admit objects without 
individual names.  We also admit names without individual denotations,
e.g., 'Pegasus', 'The present king of France'.  Concepts, abstract
entities, are just a third kind of entity required by the supposition
of the first two: names and things they name.  Just as we can have
names without objects and objects without names, we can have concepts
that cannot be expressed in words, and concepts that do not apply
to any objects.

The real problem comes in (1) formalizing the relationships among
names, concepts, and objects which Church has tried to do;  
or (2)  providing some
alternative, non-Fregean formalization, which neither Husserl or
Korzybski provided; or (3) showing that these relationships are
not formalizable, that is, not expressible in words, which Wittgenstein
hinted at in his poetic way, but did not prove.

The third option carries with it the onus of explaining how the
illusions of words and objects (and thus concepts) arise, since
they do arise, or we wouldn't "be talking about" "them."  I am
preparing an article putting forth a theory of a "semantic gradient"
to explain how physical stimuli acquire what we tend to call
meaning.

If you are interested in the above arguments of Mill,
Frege, and Church, (and how, ignoring them, we have vastly over 
simplified knowledge representation, concepts, etc.) I can send 
you a copy of a draft of my article "Naming and Knowledge: Implications
of Church's Arguments about Knowledge Representation," which I have
submitted for publication.  It covers this topic of names, objects,
and concepts as thouroughly as I can.

I would like to thank the many people who responded to my notes 
"An Unsearchable Problem of Elementary Human Behavior," and "How to
measure learning Ability?"  As soon
as I get a moment, I'll post a summary or mere agglutination of the
articulate replies I've received.           

Respectfully,

Peter Berke