[sci.math] S/ware distribution restrictions

trh@eagle.ukc.ac.uk (T.R.Hopkins) (06/01/88)

I have just read an advertisement from `The Matrix Calculating
Engine Inc' (MACE) of Wisconsin offering the LINPACK and EISPACK
Fortran Linear Algebra Packages for PC's. A footnote states that
both packages are on the Restricted Nuclear Technology Transfer List
and that distribution of the sources to many countries (I assume
Eastern Bloc) is restricted.

1) I thought that both LINPACK and EISPACK were in the Public Domain --
   can they be both PD and on the RNTTL list?

2) What other software is on this list and where do I get a copy of the
   list from?

3) What is the point of publishing the source codes in book form
  (i.e., The Linpack Users Guide and the Eispack volumes from
   Springer Verlag) and then restricting the distribution of machine
   readable form? Or are the books also on the list? Or can't the Russians
   type .... :-)

   Any information and comments would be welcome


   Tim

hofbauer@csri.toronto.edu (John Hofbauer) (06/03/88)

>3) What is the point of publishing the source codes in book form
>  (i.e., The Linpack Users Guide and the Eispack volumes from
>   Springer Verlag) and then restricting the distribution of machine
>   readable form? Or are the books also on the list? Or can't the
>   Russians    type .... :-)

I bet there are errors in the listings just to fool those Commie
rascals. :-) :-) :-) :-)

mouse@mcgill-vision.UUCP (der Mouse) (06/04/88)

In article <5136@eagle.ukc.ac.uk>, trh@eagle.ukc.ac.uk (T.R.Hopkins) writes:
> [...LINPACK and EISPACK...]  A footnote states that both packages are
> on the Restricted Nuclear Technology Transfer List and that
> distribution of the sources to many countries [...] is restricted.

> 1) I thought that both LINPACK and EISPACK were in the Public Domain
>    -- can they be both PD and on the RNTTL list?

This is the government.  They can do anything they please.  In this
sort of area, they don't even have to stay legal.  (I don't know
whether either package really is public domain.)

> 3) What is the point of publishing the source codes in book form
>    [...] and then restricting the distribution of machine readable
>    form?  Or are the books also on the list?  Or can't the Russians
>    type .... :-)

This is the government.  Don't expect it to make any sense.  As far as
I can see, these export restrictions make no sense whatever,
particularly when they attempt to place them on information instead of
physical objects.  An export restriction on a VAX (to pick an example)
is almost enforceable.  An export restriction on information, like
source code to LINPACK or EISPACK, is not.  If an "enemy" power
(particularly a large one like the USSR) wants a copy, they will not be
noticeably impeded by the restrictions; they serve only to hamper
nominally friendly entities attempting to obtain copies.  As far as I
can see, at least.

					der Mouse

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eugene@pioneer.arpa (Eugene N. Miya) (06/07/88)

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>> [...LINPACK and EISPACK...]  A footnote states that both packages are
>> on the Restricted Nuclear Technology Transfer List and that
>> distribution of the sources to many countries [...] is restricted.
>
>This is the government.  They can do anything they please.

Ach!  Comrades!  Ve vill send netlib massage:
	send source from linpach
	send source from ice pack
from moscvax via kremvax and kgbvax thru nsavax.

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Now, what does this have to do with Fortran?

Another gross generalization from

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