scott@acw.UUCP (Scott Guthery) (12/21/88)
Teachers succeed without teaching and students succeed without learning. Is there really any question why there's no education going on in our education system? A teacher's only use for students to get money out of taxpayers. The more money they get, the less they teach. Once they get tenure or graduate into administration, they do nothing useful at all. $300 billion/year we dump into our education system and 20% of our high school graduates can't find the U.S. on a world map. It makes the DoD look like a model of efficiency and fiscal responsibility. Thanks to the U.S. Department of Social Engineering's reinterpretation of "all men are created equal" as "any dolt can do any job," students know damn well they can live a good life in America off the sweat of somebody else's brow. The more complaints & disadvantages a student can muster the better grade he gets and the less he is required to accomplish. As long as we continue to reward excuses for failure and resent achievement, our education system will continue to build yet more fetid byways in the intellectual sewer. AIDS studies, anyone? +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+**+*+ "Education, which was at first made universal in order that all might be able to read and write, has been found capable of serving quite other purposes. By instilling nonsense, it unifies populations and generates collective enthusiasm." Bertrand Russell +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+**+*+
dwd@sfsup.UUCP (D.W.Dougherty) (12/22/88)
In article <7.UUL1.3#913@acw.UUCP> scott@acw.UUCP (Scott Guthery) writes:
:: Teachers succeed without teaching and students succeed without learning.
:: Is there really any question why there's no education going on in our
:: education system?
::
:: A teacher's only use for students to get money out of taxpayers. The
:: more money they get, the less they teach. Once they get tenure or graduate
:: into administration, they do nothing useful at all. $300 billion/year we
:: dump into our education system and 20% of our high school graduates can't
:: find the U.S. on a world map. It makes the DoD look like a model
:: of efficiency and fiscal responsibility.
::
:: Thanks to the U.S. Department of Social Engineering's reinterpretation
:: of "all men are created equal" as "any dolt can do any job," students
:: know damn well they can live a good life in America off the sweat of somebody
:: else's brow. The more complaints & disadvantages a student can muster
:: the better grade he gets and the less he is required to accomplish.
::
:: As long as we continue to reward excuses for failure and resent achievement,
:: our education system will continue to build yet more fetid byways in the
:: intellectual sewer. AIDS studies, anyone?
::
I believe that load and fanatic applause is appropriate here!!jsb@actnyc.UUCP (The Invisible Man) (12/24/88)
)In article <7.UUL1.3#913@acw.UUCP> scott@acw.UUCP (Scott Guthery) writes: ):: Teachers succeed without teaching and students succeed without learning. ):: Is there really any question why there's no education going on in our ):: education system? ):: ):: A teacher's only use for students to get money out of taxpayers. The ):: more money they get, the less they teach. Once they get tenure or graduate ):: into administration, they do nothing useful at all. $300 billion/year we [ more of the same deleted] In article <4463@sfsup.UUCP> dwd@/guestc/dwdUUCP (45421-D.W.Dougherty) writes: )I believe that load and fanatic applause is appropriate here!! Clearly, writing skills are poorly taught. ;-) The fact is that teaching is not valued; at least not in the USofA. The day I quit teaching to become a computer consultant I doubled my salary. I've since doubled it again. The ones who remain behind tend to be those who can't make it in the real world. I'm speaking here of institutions geared for teaching. At those geared for research, teaching is often a chore delegated to those without political pull or seniority to avoid it. Ability to teach rarely enters into the equation. I am, of course, speaking in generalities. There are numerous exceptions. The point is that we get what we pay for. The 'fraud' is being perpetrated on ourselves. As W.C. Fields said, "You can't cheat an honest man." -- Spaffords Axiom: "The Usenet is not the real world. The Usenet usually does not even resemble the real world." jim (uunet!actnyc!jsb)
childers@avsd.UUCP (Richard Childers) (12/24/88)
In article <7.UUL1.3#913@acw.UUCP> scott@acw.UUCP (Scott Guthery) writes: >Teachers succeed without teaching and students succeed without learning. >Is there really any question why there's no education going on in our >education system? As far as I'm concerned, why don't the parents take a leadership position in teaching their children how to think, how to read, how to write ? I've seen several friends who had children, then sat passively when they were in an ideal position to begin stimulating the child's problem-solving process, telling the child to go take a nap when they could have been just as easily reading them a story. In my own case, I was reading when I was *two*, habitually by the time I was four, slavishly by the time I was six or seven. Much of this is related to my mother's initial efforts at stimulating my tiny intellect, no doubt. How can a child think critically and question the teacher when everything they experience at home and at school tells them to remain silent, not to challenge the teacher, be it a school official or a parent, to just shut up and endure ? When I moved to San Francisco, at the age of ten, I was the most educated child in my school, a situation that remained predictable for years after. Inevitably, my teacher identified me as suitable for skipping grades, and while I'm sorry it happened, it was the best thing at the time. While it was being worked out, I filled in my time reading whatever I wanted to, and teaching English and grammar to a new student who'd just moved to the States from Korea - another thing that's never made use of, the potential for one student to tutor another. It seems that it is only in the United States and certain Asian countries that education is seen as a competitive matter, instead of a cooperative one, a way for the society to improve itself instead of merely a way for a single individual to increase their value to the job market ... >As long as we continue to reward excuses for failure and resent achievement, >our education system will continue to build yet more fetid byways in the >intellectual sewer. AIDS studies, anyone? All rhetoric aside, how many inquiring minds have you cultivated lately ? -- richard -- * "... where there is no movement, there is no perception." * * Ribot, _The Psychology of Attention_ * * ..{amdahl|decwrl|octopus|pyramid|ucbvax}!avsd.UUCP!childers@tycho * * AMPEX Corporation - Audio-Visual Systems Division, R & D *