[sci.space] Space colony paranoia

Dale.Amon@H.CS.CMU.EDU (11/11/86)

OCONNORDM@ge-crd.arpa:

A useful power sat is a fragile structure of very thin girders and
solar cells and/or large solar concentrators for Rankine cycle or other type
generators. They are literally huge and very flimsy by the very nature
of what they do: maximize collecting area and minimize mass. Nobody
interested in making a profit is going to build them any other way.

I'm really amazed at your level of paranoia. Did the USA turn around and
conquer Britain? No. It wanted left alone to go it's own direction. The
same will happen at a space settlement, which is very vulnerable to outside
attack*. Protection by rock would be limited to that necessary to stop
particles from the direction of the sun. None of the various designs
would hold up long against concerted attack, if the attackers didn't
care if they killed most everyone. A takeover could be quite difficult
if you wanted to take live prisoners.

* Note: except for a lunar settlement, which could be near invulnerable
to even a concerted NUCLEAR attack. You might have to take out each
building seperately. But then, it has a gravity well, so it's not
really the high ground you speak of.

A battle station is a VERY different proposition. A non rotating
structure buried in a sphere of rock and slag, with passages to bring
replacement weapons and sensors to the surface after they get blasted
off. Think of the difference between the hardness (and price) of a
cadillac versus that of a battle tank with Chobham armor. The caddy
might eat a Volkswagen strike, but it won't handle anything SERIOUS.

And even if you do harden everything, fight the war and get someone to
surrender (without having an army that can stand up when it lands, or
knows how to deal with mosquitos, killer bees, thunderstorms, mud,
etc), you then have to keep 7 billion people under thumb somehow. How?
The Russians can't even keep an empire together (they've got some 7-8
revolts against them around the world) and they are here, they have an
army HERE, they have an army that knows how to live HERE, and they
aren't afraid to use any amount of force or deadly gas that comes to
hand. How do you propose that a bunch of colonists are going to pull off
this coup? I find it an utterly ridiculous concept. I think you've been
reading too much Starship Troopers.

There is really no chance they would attempt an attack on the other
OTHER THAN TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM ITS GRIP OR THREATS. People on
frontiers look outwards, not backwards. The ones you have to worry
about are the patriotic military forces from Earth wanting to hold
Earth-Moon space for mother (pick your favorite super power) ______ in
order to make the Earth safe for (pick your favorite ideology)
________. All things considered, you are probably safer if they ARE
independant.

If you want to hypothesize some far future time (500 years or so) when
the population density out there is such that there are aged cultures
spread around the system, ones whose energies are not entirely taken up
by building and surviving and expanding, then there might be some
credence to your worries. However, at that late a date, it won't really
matter WHERE they are based, because with a fusion drive, you can move
the whole damn thing. But why would you move a city closer when all you
really want to do is send your weapons to dominate the high ground? And
I'm still not sure that I see any gain worth the cost. It just doesn't
seem feasible to conquer 7 Billion individuals. Easy to kill a lot of
them off, but not so easy to leave anything intact that will make the
attempt worth the cost.

And as to selective forces, I strongly suspect people will adapt to low
or zero gravity, possibly in only a few generations. Most people, after
having been up long enough to stop tossing their cookies have preferred
it. The choice may be one way: once you adapt you can't EVER go back.
Children born in low gravity (the moon for exasmple) may likewise never
be able to visit a high gravity planet, or would simply not be
interested in the huge effort required to get in that kind of physical
condition.

Simple power has very rarely been the only, or even a major driving
factor behind war. Most wars are caused by religion, scarce resources,
fear or rebellion against an oppresor. I'm hard pressed to think of any
major confrontations in the last 2000 years that was mainly for power,
other than Kenghis Kahn and Adolf Hitler. And if a power crazed maniac
comes along, it probably doesn't matter where he starts out. The result
will be the same.