maddoxt@novavax.UUCP (Thomas Maddox) (06/27/88)
A short while ago, I posted a list of queries about the design and functioning of space cities. As I explained in that posting, I am currently working on a novel in which a space city figures prominently. So, as promised, here are excerpts from the replies I got. J. Storrs Hall ("JoSH," moderator of the sci.nanotech newsgroup) says, with regard to the overall design: I would expect as much variation in space cities as ground cities--lots of room for style, random variation, "historical reasons", etc. Not to mention differences in overall functionality. Concerning the ecology of the city: Genetic engineering will almost certainly be able to create systems of artificial life that are specifically designed to be the "opposite half" of a human-bearing ecology. [A]ll the plants are designed for the job. I would expect the plants to be the bio-engineered terminal nodes of the climate control system. All wired into the "nerve net" of the city. They act as sensors and controllers for humidity and gas content of the air. They, and the lights and the doors and a zillion other things are the "fingers" of an intelligent environment. I suspect the intelligent environment is not only a fancy extra, but will be considered a necessity for safety reasons. And the economic infrastructure: An early occupation of the space city will probably be the manufacture of antimatter, and genetic engineering, and other pursuits that involve tiny, dangerous things, presumably carried out in nearby, detached, facilities. And the politics: Take a population of smart, intellectually aggressive people in close (confined) social contact, all dependent on the same integrated system for their lives, and you have a sure recipe for the hairiest, fieriest, politics in human history. One of my central questions concerned an asteroid that my city dwellers would discover, snag, and transport to the space city. JoSH says, To my surprise, when I worked out the math, this will actually work. Solar orbital velocities in this area are about 30 km/sec, and for a 100-meter asteroid massing 1e11 kg, that represents 3e14 watts of kinetic energy. Assume we can build a 10 gigawatt fusion plant (modern fission plants are 1 gigawatt) it can supply that amount of energy in a year. Build more plants (or assume more powerful ones) and time shrinks. You still need transit time after the thrust, of course. The thing could be up to a mile (multiply above numbers by 200). They could find it anywhere inside Jupiter's orbit, depending on the time constraints of the plot. There are occasional asteroids that cross Earth's orbit, though most are found between Mars and Jupiter. You would not be too far off base to assume the composition was any fairly small distortion of earth's. Silicates, boron, nickel, iron. Spice it with rare earths to fit the plot. Marc Ringuette says, The spokes are very useful things - probably exercise gyms and recreational facilities at anywhere from null to full gravity, as well as science research, hospital recovery facilities . . . I presume there'd be a fair bunch of non-rotating zero-g docking, communications, maintenance, and research modules. So what are some idea-generating features of the environment? - variable gravity available - vacuum available - linear organization of the city (a skinny loop) - closed society. towns of 10,000 barely have a swimming pool! - high tech population - jobs are space, mining, science, astronomy John Turner, from L5 Computing, Edmonds, Washington, writes: 1) Be sure to portray the window shielding right. I don't remember whether Heppenheimer's book mentioned the chevron shields. They are cribs of some dense material faced with mirrors, supported on metal legs above the torus windows. Sunlight follows a crooked path through the mirror maze this creates, with the hard radiation absorbing harmlessly into the rock, metal, etc. that fills the cribs. Try to find a diagram if you don't have one already; without the chevron shields a Stanford torus is a joke. 2) Don't make your metal asteroid much larger than five hundred meters across, about one-half billion tonnes mass. The motors for moving such a beast would rate around 100,000 tonnes thrust for a fairly speedy trip, less if a few microgravities is all you'll need. Many plans for mining such small objects include a sort of bag surrounding the body, to catch flying shards during blasting or excavation. [. . .] 5) Spin gravity isn't the same as the real thing. The coriolis effect in even a large structure like a Stanford torus could be *felt* as a weak vertigo if you rocked your head, twisted it side to side. Gossip has it that you could find the spinward direction from anywhere in a Stanford torus by nodding your head a few times. 6) Space eats your brains out. Even inside the stationary "bicycle tire" shield and window shielding of a Stanford torus, enough radiation gets through to make personal dosimeters a good idea. Traveling through the unshielded spokes would cause blue splotches to dance before your eyes; they are called phosgenes and are a visible (to you) manifestation of dying brain cells. Too many dead brain cells and you'll be a vegetable, fed blue liquid down a tube. Space settlers would be almost obsessive about tracking their radiation histories, and would forbid their children access to poorly shielded areas. Douglas F. DeJulio, from Carnegie-Mellon, suggests, How 'bout several concentric toruses (torusi?) of different sizes, with different rotational speeds? The closer to the center, the faster the spin. That way it covers more area (because you have people live at more than one radius) and you have similar gravity in each ring. Travel from ring to ring would be interesting. Travel *within* a ring could be done by hopping to another ring, waiting, and hopping back in a new place. And Jack Campin, from Glasgow University, asks: OK, what about radiation shielding? I don't recall any of the advocates of space colonies having an answer to the infrequent (every few decades) but REALLY lethal blasts of solar wind that are detectable in the tree-ring record by the C14 they generate (see last week's New Scientist). You could maybe have enough lead boxes for the humans, but for the whole ecosystem? (The answer I have: the rotating ring of the torus [and the central hub] would be protected by a shield of crushed lunar rock; light would be reflected into the ring through a system of mirrors and shields, the chevron shields alluded to by John Turner above. Travel through the spokes would simply be prohibited during radiation storms. Anyone got a comment or refutation on this topic? It's obviously of overwhelming practical importance.) Dani Eder, who works for Boeing on the Space Station program, writes: You are trying to retrieve a stony-iron type [of asteroid] (because of the variety of materials found within). You start with a solar concentrator and heat up some metal found in the asteroid then roll it out in thin sheets. Us this as a bigger solar concentrator to melt more metal, etc. bootstrapping. The sheets are attached to 'masts' made of extruded bar stock of the same metal. Use refractory oxides from the 'stony' part to make the dies through which the bars are extruded. This assemblage becomes a solar sail , so that the asteroid sails ITSELF to earth orbit. Rick Crownover, from Duke University, promises more and writes concerning the city's orbit: A quick note on the design: oblate and prolate ellipses are ok also, and if you look in the letters section of IASFM's June issue, there is discussion of a counterbalanced "pendulum" which might suit your needs quite well -- even has a useful place to park the asteroid. J. Eric Thompson writes from "Flatline" (I'll tell Gibson about it, if J. Eric will tell me what it is) in Houston, concerning the city's biological functioning: Soybeans. Lots and lots of soybeans. You can make lots of stuff from soybeans. :-). Seriously, though, everything from food to clothes, and that's just from non-genetically engineered plants. No telling what you could do with a mutant strain or three... And concerning social life: A closed environment of 10,000 people can be really nasty. (Says he who lived in a small town of 10,000 people for a few years). Without a changing population (immigrants and uh . . . outer-grants?) stable family lines may develop. Also, the "everybody knows everybody else" starts to develop. Minorities. Especially blacks, hispanics and homosexuals. They seem to get left out of most future-novels . . . Especially blacks and homosexuals. There're a thousand orientals it seems, and a hispanic every now and then, but they're mostly minor characters. There seem to be no blacks in science fiction. Well, in Gor... :-) I take that back. My SO just read a book where the central character was a black female. I can't remember the author's name, though . . . (Wouldn't be Octavia Butler, would it?) Homosexuals. Mistreated more than females.... Oh well. It'd be nice to see a future community where a wide spread of people are represented. . . . Beverly Erlebacher writes from Toronto: the most land-efficient agriculture is found in southern china and other parts of southeast asia. under very good climatic conditions and meticulous hand cultivation, an acre can support about 5 people with enough calories for reasonable health. . . . a closed ecology with cheap power and labour might optimise for maximal nutritional value produced per square or cubic footage per unit time. under such a system, green vegetables would be cheap and plentiful, most carbohydrates would come from root crops like potatoes and tropical yams rather than from grains, and tree fruits would be incredible luxuries. small amounts of meat, eggs and milk could be produced by rabbits, chickens and goats or cattle consuming garbage and agriculture waste. on the other hand, fish would be much more available. as part of the water recycling system, there are large tanks of algae cultures feeding fish such as tilapia and possibly some invertebrates. nutrients for the hydroponics come from the same system. in your book, you might consider some of the lush tropical vegetation being food plants like fruit trees and squash, bean, melon and grape vines. on another topic, that of air, you might want to read the may issue of scientific american which had an article on indoor air pollution. up here in the north, in order to save heat, new buildings are often tightly sealed and air is recirculated. these buildings are really awful to live and work in. the air has a bad character to it, and people often get headaches or a sort of general dopey feeling after a few hours. colds are much more common. unions have been trying to get things changed for their workers on these issues. i could do some hand waving about 'wild' animals and birds in your space city, but for now, i think i would just recommend you avoid importing rats, mice, pigeons, sparrows, starlings, rabbits and red deer. on the other hand, these critters are pretty well guaranteed to succeed. :-) Finally, Graeme Williams writes from somewhere I won't mention: I have one observation on what sort of society might develop in a space city, assuming that it is driven by technology and doesn't end up re-creating small-town Kansas. Fashion is possible (only?) when trivial changes in form are possible with negligible changes in function. Observing my colleagues . . . we have that in spades. This sort of change interacts with our organizational culture, which seems basically tribal. We are of course organized in a hierarchy, but as you might expect this has the most impact at the level of sections (up to about 10 people) and departments (up to about 50, although above about 35 it doesn't really seem stable). This posting having grown quite large, I'll abandon it (though I may return to the topic later with comments and further queries) by saying thank you to all who took the considerable trouble of thinking about and replying to my questions. All the replies were intelligent and well-informed, many gave gratifying detail. I have benefitted enormously from reading them, and you may consider me in your debt. If I have slighted anyone, or improperly identified anyone or his or her affiliation, my apologies: I simply wanted to give proper credit. By the way, I'm still happy to receive responses.