[net.sf-lovers] Star Wars is indeed Science Fiction

duntemann.wbst@XEROX.ARPA (07/20/84)

There isn't a blamed thing in the Star Wars saga to remove it from
our own (albeit remote) future save Lucas's idiotic "Long, long ago
in a galaxy far away..."  Nor is there any reason to put it
anywhere but in our own remote future; why people insist on the fairy
tale prelude escapes me.  Consider The Stainless Steel Rat books, which
take place in our universe umpty-ump thousand years from now, so that
the word "earth" is a synonym for soil and not the name of any
given planet.  (Until DeGriz gets to ride a time machine back to
Old Earth, or Dirt, or whatever the name of the place was...)

There's no way to draw lines between science fiction and non-science fiction
without valid arguments that the lines ought to be drawn elsewhere.
The internal consistency argument is actually a means of drawing a line
between good writing and bad writing; both SW and ST fail that test,
but whereas I'd grade Star Wars at about 55%, Star Trek gets a zero for
not even bothering to try.

What I suspect is bothering people about Star Wars is the intention
that it be nothing beyond an adventure story.  Well, yeah, that bothers
me too--BUT, considering that Star Trek is really nothing more than
All My Children: 2300AD, I'd say Star Trek is not science fiction either,
but (bad) soap opera with pointed ears.

Damned little media work passes my own personal litmus test for
science fiction, which involves a high level of internal consistency,
"not offending the known", and working from a set of reasonable
premises toward a reasonable theme.  Neither "Cowboys on Mars"
(Star Wars) nor "All My Children: 2300AD" passes the test.  On the
other hand, not many books pass it either.

I think it's a thoroughly stupid thing to throw packets after, bottom
line.  Let's argue about something else.

--Jeff Duntemann   duntemann.wbst@xerox

mwm@ea.UUCP (08/06/84)

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ea!mwm    Aug  5 18:46:00 1984

Star Wars NOT science fiction? Not good science fiction, yes, but it is
most definitely science fiction. Check out "Space Opera", edited by
Brian W. Aldiss. SW fits that mold nearly perfectly. It isn't very good
space opera, but that's another tale.

As for "a long time ago" being an argument for SW to not be science
fiction, I'd like to know when science fiction was changed so that it
had to happen in the future (or even had to happen to humans!).

	<mike