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printf@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Stirling) (06/16/91)

#In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
#
##The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from
space,
##the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time
in
#.......
#
>BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
>Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
>up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon
or
>somesuch distance.
>
BZZZZZT,BZZZZZZT WRONG WRONG WRONG.  8^)

        The Great Wall of China is the only thing visible from space
        with
                "the naked eye."

        Steve

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clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) (06/16/91)

In article <SHAFER.91Jun16095027@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov>, shafer@skipper (Mary Shafer) writes:
>
>In article <1991Jun16.125922.7401@demon.co.uk> printf@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Stirling) writes:
>
>   #In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>   #
>   ##The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from
>   space,
>   ##the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time
>   in
>   #.......
>   #
>   >BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
>   >Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
>   >up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon
>   or
>   >somesuch distance.
>   >
>   BZZZZZT,BZZZZZZT WRONG WRONG WRONG.  8^)
>
>           The Great Wall of China is the only thing visible from space
>           with
>                   "the naked eye."
>
>You're quite incorrect.  I asked Gordon Fullerton (you know, STS-2, etc)
>about this and he said that the Great Wall isn't even visible in LEO.
>However, quite a few man-made structures are visible from LEO, including
>dams, airports, freeways in the deserts, and cities.

STS-2 carried Engle and Truly, n'est-ce pas?  Fullerton first flew on Faith 7.

(I know, it was Gordon Cooper, but we seem to be stuck in one falsehood for
every truth mode right now.)

--
Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com    {uunet,harvard,world}!ksr!clj

shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) (06/16/91)

In article <1991Jun16.125922.7401@demon.co.uk> printf@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Stirling) writes:

   #In article <2955@ke4zv.UUCP> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
   #
   ##The only manmade structure that can be seen with the naked eye from
   space,
   ##the Great Wall of China, has been around for a fair amount of time
   in
   #.......
   #
   >BZZZT...Wrong. TONS of stuff is visible from LEO. Do you think that
   >Manhattan or LA suddenly become invisible because you are 120 miles
   >up? Perhaps the Great Wall is the only object visible from the Moon
   or
   >somesuch distance.
   >
   BZZZZZT,BZZZZZZT WRONG WRONG WRONG.  8^)

           The Great Wall of China is the only thing visible from space
           with
                   "the naked eye."

You're quite incorrect.  I asked Gordon Fullerton (you know, STS-2, etc)
about this and he said that the Great Wall isn't even visible in LEO.
However, quite a few man-made structures are visible from LEO, including
dams, airports, freeways in the deserts, and cities.

Dave Scott (Apollo 15) once told me that the only man-made thing he
could see from the moon was city lights at night and even those were
pretty dim.

I've been to the Great Wall and it's not very big, it's tan, and the
chaparrel grows right up to it.  I think you'd be hard-pressed to see
it from 40,000 ft, let alone LEO.

--
Mary Shafer  shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov  ames!skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov!shafer
           NASA Ames Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
                     Of course I don't speak for NASA
            "Turn to kill, not to engage."  CDR Willie Driscoll

palmer@nntp-server.caltech.edu (David Palmer) (06/17/91)

shafer@skipper.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:
>You're quite incorrect.  I asked Gordon Fullerton (you know, STS-2, etc)
>about this and he said that the Great Wall isn't even visible in LEO.
>However, quite a few man-made structures are visible from LEO, including
>dams, airports, freeways in the deserts, and cities.

>Dave Scott (Apollo 15) once told me that the only man-made thing he
>could see from the moon was city lights at night and even those were
>pretty dim.

Probably the easiest manmade thing to see from space is the Sahara Desert.
(This desert is the result of domestic animals under human control,
e.g. goats, eating away the vegetation at the periphery, allowing
the desert to spread.)

-- 
		David Palmer
		palmer@gap.cco.caltech.edu
		...rutgers!cit-vax!gap.cco.caltech.edu!palmer
	"Operator, get me the number for 911"  --Homer Simpson

henry@hutto.UUCP (Henry Melton) (06/17/91)

While looking at an image of the Texas area made by a GEOS weather sat,
I noticed a white dot, about three or four pixels wide in Central Texas,
just north of Austin.  After investigating, it turns out to be the Texas
Crushed Stone company's huge pit (just visible from I-35 between Austin
and Georgetown).  Other than the lakes, it was the only man-made thing
visible on the photo.