COK@PSUVMA.BITNET (R. W. F. Clark) (03/17/88)
In article <1770@rtech.UUCP>, stevef@rtech.UUCP (Steve Frye) says: > >In article <7288@mhuxu.UUCP>, jmd@mhuxu.UUCP (Joseph M. Dakes) writes: > > No, YOU are talking about 'driving under the influence'. WE have been >talking about the negative effects of second hand smoke vs. second hand alcohol. > > You don't like smoke because it irritates you. I don't like the smell >of alcohol. I feel I should be able to go into a restaurant and have a nice >dinner without the nauseating smell of alcohol ruining a meal. Should I >go elsewhere to eat? I don't like those disgusting [insert ethnic minority here] sitting in the corner! They're decidedly inferior breeds of humanity! They make me ill! I should have a right to eat without having to be near [insert racial slur here]! Get a grip on reality. I am allergic to cats. I know a bookstore owner who allows cats to wander freely in his bookstore. I suppose HE should be tossed in jail? (Of course, even with the allergy, I'm rather an aelurophile, so I suppose that makes it easier.) > > On an airplane!! Wow, I can EASILY pick out the disgusting scent >of alcohol on an airplane right through the smell of smoke. It is just >as heavy and thick in ANY seating section. I have heard - I do not know >for a fact - that some airlines are beginning to ban smoking on shorter >flights. I'm willing to bet that the serving of alcohol will continue. Sir, you seem to be having tremendous difficulty with reality. Your particular problems shouldn't run everyone else's life. I don't see that your neurotic delusions should be any reason to restrict the rights of others. > > The stench of alcohol has made me very ill on multiple occasions. >Why should I have to tolerate it? Any more than others have to tolerate >cigarrete smoke? You don't. As Mr. Denninger has said on previous occasions, if someone allows something which offends you in his business, don't patronize him. You have no right to dictate what private business can or can not do, and, short of socializing all businesses, I can't see what your goal is. > > The number of hospitalizations and deaths from second hand smoke >is a proven? statistic that escapes me right now. The number of deaths from >second hand effects of alcohol are quite proven. Really? I rather assume this is a rather unsubtle reference to deaths from drunk drivers. I doubt anyone has died from breathing alcohol fumes, however. Your analogy sucks. > > You suggest that second hand alcohol deaths from alcohol can be >curbed by education. Is this not true for smoking also? This man oughtta be nominated for a Maroney. Of course it's true for smoking! You make that statement so boldly, as if it hasn't been said by at least half a dozen people previously. Why do you present this statement as if it's yet another block in the structure of a brilliant argument? It seems rather _non sequitur_, somehow. > > > >-- >Steve Frye Relational Technology >ptsfa!rtech!stevef 1080 Marina Village Parkway > Alameda, Ca. 94501 >"No matter where we are standing, the wind always blows right at us". MGW ------- UUCP:. . .rutgers!psuvax1!psuvma.BITNET!cok | cok@psuvma@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu "Every book is a postponed suicide." E. M. Cioran #! rnews 479 Path: psuvm.bitnet!psuvax1!husc6!bbn!uwmcsd1!uwvax!oddjob!gargoyle!att-ih!ihnp4!hoptoad!cpsc6a!codas!killer!convex!jthomp From: jthomp@convex.UUCP (Jim "Cookie" Thompson) Newsgroups: alt.test Subject: test of news/notes gateway Message-ID: <256@convex.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 88 04:35:24 GMT Organization: Convex Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx. Reply-To: jthomp@convex.UUCP (Jim "Cookie" Thompson) Distribution: usa Lines: 2 I'm sure you guys are getting tired of us by now..
kyl@homxb.UUCP ( ? ) (03/25/88)
In article <36354COK@PSUVMA>, COK@PSUVMA.BITNET (R. W. F. Clark) writes: > > You don't like smoke because it irritates you. I don't like the smell > >of alcohol. I feel I should be able to go into a restaurant and have a nice > >dinner without the nauseating smell of alcohol ruining a meal. Should I > >go elsewhere to eat? Does smelling alcohol cause cancer? > > On an airplane!! Wow, I can EASILY pick out the disgusting scent > >of alcohol on an airplane right through the smell of smoke. It is just > >as heavy and thick in ANY seating section. I have heard - I do not know > >for a fact - that some airlines are beginning to ban smoking on shorter > >flights. I'm willing to bet that the serving of alcohol will continue. I don't see how it would be possible for anyone to "pick out the disgusting scent of alcohol over the smell of smoke". Just by the inhalation of smoke, second or first hand, results in the dulling of your sense of smell. BTW, there is a federal law prohibiting smoking on short flights ( I think it was flights less that one and a half hours long ) as of April. Northwest airlines has banned smoking an all its flights. > > > The stench of alcohol has made me very ill on multiple occasions. > >Why should I have to tolerate it? Any more than others have to tolerate > >cigarrete smoke? I do not understand your reasoning at all. Becoming ill at the smell of alcohol is a problem specific to you, becoming ill from second hand smoke, however, effects a very large group of people. > > The number of hospitalizations and deaths from second hand smoke > >is a proven? statistic that escapes me right now. The number of deaths from > >second hand effects of alcohol are quite proven. > > Really? I rather assume this is a rather unsubtle reference to deaths > from drunk drivers. I doubt anyone has died from breathing alcohol > fumes, however. Your analogy sucks. I totally agree with, Mr. Clark here. Your analogy is all wrong. How many accidents, and deaths have been caused by smokers who are playing around with their cigarettes? Admittedly, not as many as from drunk drivers, but, why do you think many car insurance companies charge smokers more for car insurance? There are studies that prove the deadliness of second hand smoke. For example, children of smokers have a much higher rate of lung cancer than children of non-smokers. I wonder how it makes a parents feel to know that they caused their childs death? > >Steve Frye Relational Technology > >ptsfa!rtech!stevef 1080 Marina Village Parkway > > Alameda, Ca. 94501 > ------- > UUCP:. . .rutgers!psuvax1!psuvma.BITNET!cok | cok@psuvma@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu Cindy
grgurich@gumby.cs.wisc.edu (Matthew Grgurich) (03/29/88)
. Just to add to the destruction of the arguments stating that smoke isn't any worse than alcahol, Just how many houses burn because of people falling asleep drinking? P.S. alcahol washes out easily. Smoking makes everything in a fairly large radius end up smelling permanently disgusting. Ever sit in a car that was/is owned by a smoker with the windows shut? Can you say "carsick"? Alcahol in small amounts has actually been shown to have positive effects. One inhalation of even second hand smoke has *permanent* negative effects and NO redeeming features. Matt Grgurich