novikoff@tesla.UUCP (Eric A. Novikoff) (10/24/84)
Has anybody read STARTIDE RISING, SUNDIVER, and THE PRACTICE EFFECT by David Brin? I found the books (especially STARTIDE RISING) to be captivating and deep (sorry about the pun, Brin fans.) Has / is he writing anything new? I anxiously await the reopening of the door into the Brin universe. Has any one else thought of "uplifting" dolphins? Eric Novikoff tesla!novikoff@cornell.arpa
dcmartin@ucbvax.ARPA (David C. Martin) (11/04/84)
[This line is bound for glory, this line ...] I have read Startide Rising and Sundiver with great appreciation as well, but was turned off by the Practice Effect not being of the same subject. (I will grant you that I did not read the entire novel, so no flames please!) I have picked up a novel on recommendation that I found of the same style. (Not uplift, but writing) It is called The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester and was the winner of the first Hugo. I would highly recommend it to anyone who liked David Brin's style.
asente@Cascade.ARPA (11/06/84)
> I have read Startide Rising and Sundiver with great appreciation as well, > but was turned off by the Practice Effect not being of the same subject. It may not have been on the same subject, but it is in the same "future history" as the first two. There are several references in The Practice Effect that indicate that the world in which the beginning takes place is the same earth where Sundiver takes place. -paul asente Practice makes perfect.
kevin@voder.UUCP (worthless scum) (11/06/84)
> Has anybody read STARTIDE RISING, SUNDIVER, and THE PRACTICE EFFECT > by David Brin? I found the books (especially STARTIDE RISING) to be > captivating and deep (sorry about the pun, Brin fans.) Has / is > he writing anything new? I anxiously await the reopening of the door > into the Brin universe. Has any one else thought of "uplifting" > dolphins? > > Eric Novikoff > tesla!novikoff@cornell.arpa *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** STARTIDE RISING won a Hugo for best science-fiction novel for 1983. Before we start uplifting dolphins we'd better start uplifting some humans ( :-) ?). -- Kevin Thompson {ucbvax,ihnp4!nsc}!voder!kevin "It's sort of a threat, you see. I've never been very good at them myself but I'm told they can be very effective."
chenr@tilt.FUN (Ray Chen) (11/09/84)
> > I have read Startide Rising and Sundiver with great appreciation as well, > > but was turned off by the Practice Effect not being of the same subject. > > It may not have been on the same subject, but it is in the same "future > history" as the first two. There are several references in The > Practice Effect that indicate that the world in which the beginning > takes place is the same earth where Sundiver takes place. > > -paul asente I've read all three. Where? Ray Chen princeton!tilt!chenr
asente@Cascade.ARPA (11/17/84)
>>> I have read Startide Rising and Sundiver with great appreciation as well, >>> but was turned off by the Practice Effect not being of the same subject. >> >> It may not have been on the same subject, but it is in the same "future >> history" as the first two. There are several references in The >> Practice Effect that indicate that the world in which the beginning >> takes place is the same earth where Sundiver takes place. >> >> -paul asente > > I've read all three. Where? > > Ray Chen > princeton!tilt!chenr The Practice Effect, page 17: "I've made a real neat picture of the launch tower in Ecuador! You know, the Vanilla Needle?" -paul asente
chenr@tilt.FUN (Ray Chen) (11/19/84)
> >> It may not have been on the same subject, but it is in the same "future > >> history" as the first two. There are several references in The > >> Practice Effect that indicate that the world in which the beginning > >> takes place is the same earth where Sundiver takes place. > >> > >> -paul asente > The Practice Effect, page 17: > "I've made a real neat picture of the launch tower in Ecuador! You > know, the Vanilla Needle?" So they both have a launch tower in Ecuador. Big deal. Ecuador is one of the obvious places to put one of those things. You're missing the fact that there are things in the Practice Effect which make its universe incompatible with that of Sundiver and Startide Rising. 1) The ziev effect, which is the whole reason behind the events in the Practice Effect. While the Galactic races in Sundiver/Startide Rising possess probability-altering stardrives, nobody has anything like the zievatron. The ziev effect supposedly became one of the two major facets of human civilization. 2) The large number of human-colonized planets and the conspicuous absence of any mention of the Galactics, plus the fact that human race uses genetically engineered, intelligent animals in the place of machines. This in itself is totally incompatible with the spirit behind Uplift. Ray Chen princeton!tilt!chenr