[net.sf-lovers] Best SF Films

@RUTGERS.ARPA:FIRTH@TL-20B.ARPA (02/19/85)

From: FIRTH@TL-20B.ARPA


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We have had some fun discussing the worst SF films, but the
challenge still stands, to name the best SF films. I find
that a hard challenge, and would like to take a little time
to explain why.

What is a good film?  As a first test, one can apply to a film
the objective criteria of criticism, namely

	what is the author's intention?
	how reasonable is that intention?
	how well does the author carry it out?

This at least removes from consideration movies like "Dark Star"
(where no intention is discernable), "Things to Come" (where
the intention, of documenting an entire future history, is clearly
absurd), and "Dune" (where the execution is manifestly inadequate).

This does not get us very far.  For example, it leaves in contention
films such as "King Kong" and "The Man who fell to Earth"; both are
excellent as films, but I find both unsatisfactory as SF films.  And
for the same reason: they lack a scientific "what if" premiss.  So I
shall add the criterion that the movie must contain some extrapolation
from an assumption, plausible or implausible.

Finally, a personal view.  For me, a film is an historical document;
it cannot be taken out of its time, place, and culture.  If you care,
I can say that the film does not seem to me the true art form - the
true art form is the animated movie, and "Fantasia" or "Yellow Submarine"
transcend the circumstances of place and time that are the essence of
"Casablanca" or "A Passport to Pimlico".

And so, I looked for SF films that were

  - technically excellent
  - in the tradition of mainstream SF
  - in keeping with the spirit of their time

As the last criterion, I looked for films that, whether intentionally
or not, were "one of a kind" - not imitating, but imitated.  And
finally, to keep the list short, I arbitrarily took one movie per
decade.

The result (according to one biased observer):

	Fritz Lang : Metropolis (1926)

	Frank Capra : Lost Horizon (1937)

	Rudolph Mate' : When Worlds Collide (1951)  -- (for the 40's)

	Fred McLeod Wilcox : Forbidden Planet (1956)

	Roger Vadim : Barbarella (1967)

Here I stop, being able neither to ignore "2001"
nor to accept it.

Robert Firth
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rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (02/20/85)

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You had a good idea, but your execution was poor. Your list
is ok, but if you prefer soft core porno to sf, we part company.
Your list should drop Barbarella and add the three greatest sf
films of all time:
Destination Moon
2001
Star Wars
Sure Star Wars is more than sf. So is Barbarella.

-- 

"It's the thought, if any, that counts!"  Dick Grantges  hound!rfg

rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (02/20/85)

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p.s.:

Damn! I forgot Blade Runner.

-- 

"It's the thought, if any, that counts!"  Dick Grantges  hound!rfg

leeper@ahuta.UUCP (m.leeper) (02/21/85)

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At the risk of boring most people who know me, I would say that the
science fiction film that has impressed me the most for its
sophisticated ideas and quality of narrative is QUATERMASS AND THE PIT,
known in this country by the forgetable title FIVE MILLION YEARS TO
EARTH.  In this the British start by digging a subway tunnel in London
and by the end of the film they have explanations for telekinesis,
ghosts, race memories, race prejudice, similar myths in different
cultures, and a heck of a lot more.  The BBC tv-play, shown at Seacon,
was even better than the film and a little less cryptic at times.  I
cannot remember reading a novel as thought provoking as this film.  The
story was by Nigel Kneale, one of a series of tv-plays he did revolving
around a fictional rocket scientist, Bernard Quatermass.

Incidently, while I have your attention, anyone out there know where I
can get a VHS copy of a very good and almost unknown science fiction
film called UNEARTHLY STRANGER.  It is quite a good science fiction
tale and done in black and white with no special effects at all.  That
is probably why it disappeared.  Watch for it, though.  It is really
worth it.
				Mark Leeper
				...ihnp4!ahuta!leeper