burton@mitisft.Convergent.COM (Philip Burton) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >>>This is a global call for humanitarian aid for the earthquake stricken >>>people of northern Iran. >>> >>> >>Sorry chum. My motto is "What goes around, comes around." I would really >>just prefer to sit back and watch them suffer. >> >>What right the U.S. has to interfere with Iranian politics notwithstanding, > the magnitude of pain and suffering. You are probably too ignorant > You sound like a real ASSHOLE. > -------- > S. Alavi Sorry, it is your entire country that has appeared to the entire human race to be , to quote you, "ASSHOLES." The fact is that for years your country has been one of the world's greatest exponents of hate and intolerance in the 20th century, after Hitler, of course. I don't agree with the cavalier response that you are objecting to. But, given the mouthings off of that hateful man, the Ayatollah Khomeini, who WILL be judged by history to be a peer of Hitler and Stalin, and much worse than Shah, just what do you expect??? Your country preaches genocide under the guise of religion. Fortunately, I know enough Muslims to know better. Frankly, I wish the earthquake had hit Teheran and Qum, and destroyed all the nests of hate-mongerers !!!
tomr@ashtate (Tom Rombouts) (06/27/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >>This is a global call for humanitarian aid for the earthquake stricken >>people of northern Iran. >> >Yeah, I was laughing my socks off. [ remainder of response deleted ] This was a horrible posting, and I hope none of the thousands who must have read it takes it as representing Americans in general. The earth has only finite resources for us to share, and we must learn to look beyond our ultimately minor racial or ethnic differences if we are to survive much longer. (Please pardon this editorial bandwidth.) Tom Rombouts Torrance Techie Voice: (213) 538-7108.
reddy@uts.amdahl.com (T.S. Reddy) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun26.173419.26801@amd.com> phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >| You are probably too ignorant >| to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible >| for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. > >Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you >would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some >of your people hostage? > >-- >Phil Ngai, phil@amd.com Not to nitpick, but you seem to conveniently forget the fact that the U.S. Government held the whole of Iran hostage prior to the Islamic revolution by bringing about the downfall of the democratically elected Mossadegh government in the 1950s and propping up the unpopular Shah for so long. And the hostage taking was precipitated by the U.S. allowing the Shah into this country when they wanted him to stand trial in Iran. I don't remember the U.S. apologizing to Iran for this. I don't care much for the present Iranian government. It came to power by reaping the fruits of the anti-Shah sentiment, and as with most revolutionary governments, it has failed miserably in delivering a better life to the people, but at least it has brought a certain amount of dignity to the people of Iran. I would suggest that anyone with a jingoistic bent of mind read up on the relationship between Iran and the U.S. in the latter part of the 20th century before forming opinions and not to lap up whatever the popular press puts out in the name of journalism on Iran. -- T.S.Reddy uucp:...!{ames,decwrl,uunet,pyramid,sun}!amdahl!reddy INTERNET: reddy@uts.amdahl.com
dong@wam.umd.edu (Dong Chen) (06/27/90)
Hi,can you guys send mail to each other. I am not interested in any of these fight at all!!! I hate to see all the same flames goes to every news group I read. I don't think most of the netters like these. NO FLAME HERE. If you have any flame to me, send me mail, don't post here. 8-(
chad@norge.enet.dec.com (06/27/90)
> In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: > | You are probably too ignorant > | to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible > | for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > > But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent > and the aid of the government. > > Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you > would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some > of your people hostage? I also seem to remember that there are rallies held where *the people* get out and cheer on as the US is called the great Satan. This is nonsense that it is only a few wierdo terrorists. (I am not implying that *every* citizen there is a terrorist, only that many the people seem to support there government and terrorist actions. However, that is no reason for us to not send aid to the people. When the people see the aid and that "The Great Satan" sent it, they may begin to see that their government has been deceiving them. Example is better than words. Let us set the example. Chad chad@norge.enet.dec.com Vi elsker dette landet! --------------------------------------------------------------
wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) (06/27/90)
The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their tiraids up here.
tusneem@ecn.purdue.edu (Irfan) (06/27/90)
In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) writes: > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their >tiraids up here. I am personally sick and tired of reading flames on this newsgroup. The person writing the above statement seems to know God quite well since he is so sure they are going to hell. Hey if someone has pissed you off take it out on them don't waste money by posting your opinions on a newsgroup that is not meant for them. Cause I and many others don't want to hear them. This goes for everyone who is replying to the mail. If you got problems with this message reply directly to me and don't waste money by posting it every machine in the world. REMINDER: this group is misc.forsale not alt.flame so lets keep it that way or will that be asking too much.
rbirch@pase60.Convergent.Com (Robert Birch) (06/27/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com> Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: >Yeah, I was laughing my socks off. >Sorry chum. My motto is "What goes around, comes around." Very true... i hope you're ready when it comes around to you. -rdb
tad@ssc.UUCP (Tad Cook) (06/28/90)
In article <31145@cup.portal.com>, Sullivan@cup.portal.com (sullivan - segall) writes: > I will have nothing to do with terrorists. I am especially loathe to have > any dealings with a nation of terrorists. What was it about seven generations? So what do the folks suffering in the villages have to do with "terrorism"? The USA exported terrorism to Central America when it funded the Contras. I didn't hear any outcry from the international community to halt aid to earthquake victims in San Franciso because the folks injured in the quake were "terrorists." > Tad Cook Seattle, WA Packet: KT7H @ N7HFZ.WA.USA.NA Phone: 206/527-4089 MCI Mail: 3288544 Telex: 6503288544 MCI UW USENET:...uw-beaver!sumax!amc-gw!ssc!tad or, tad@ssc.UUCP
ronnie@eddie.mit.edu (Ron Schnell) (06/28/90)
An open letter to cups!Sullivan: I am writing this in case you don't realize already that you are a Nazi, and so you can look up your local chapter, or look at yourself and do something about it. By wishing (or worse enjoying) death of over 30,000 (let's say for the sake of your completely bogus argument that 10,000 of the people killed were not innocent and had each killed at least one American), you have adopted the terrorist frame of mind to the same degree as the terrorists of which you speak! Many of the terrorists claim that the reason they perform terrorist acts is to get back at the shooting down of the Iranian A300...sound familiar? Of course it does, it sounds like you, except the opposite...you want to see innocent people die because of someone else's terrorist actions...you are even more of a terrorist/radical. No I am not Iranian/Middle Eastern/Far Eastern. I am American and Jewish, so I do not have any great liking towards the Iranian Government. I also will not be sending any money over there. However, I am not terribly ashamed to say that I am DEEPLY saddened by the loss of life from this Earthquake. I am proud to say that I am GREATLY disgusted by your comments. I am not arguing against your right to free speech...if you already realize you are a Nazi, then you already know everything I have said. I am just writing this so that you can realize what a jerk you are and maybe think about it more logically. #Ron Ron Schnell ronnie@eddie.mit.edu Please pardon the newsgroups.
ted@cs.utexas.edu (Ted Woodward) (06/28/90)
I did not include the previous article here because it was too big, and too self-riteous. (sp?) Vahid, dude, get a life. He mentioned all the horrible things the US did to Iran the past 50 years, etc etc. He also mentioned the New Jersey shelling the Bekhaa (sp?) Valley in response to the 250+ US Marines killed in Lebanon. And the shooting down of the Iranian Airbus. Look, you dolt, 251 US Marines ARE worth 'hundreds' of civillians. In case you didn't notice, those were HUNDREDS of Marines!!! And they were there to keep the peace, not to attack anyone! And they get attacked by a CIVILLIAN in a truck!!!!! I don't know what you think, but I think erasing 8 battalions of Syrian artillery was a DAMN good response. If there are civillians in the vicinity of the gun emplacements, TOUGH! They should have moved when the guns got there! Think about this--it's perfectly OK, in the eyes of the Iranian regime (at the time; perhaps now too) to take accredited diplomats hostage, and to kill 251 Marines like that, but ANY attack by the US against anything of theirs is to be condemned...BULLSHIT! That's just saying that anything I do to you is OK, but if you do the same thing to me, it's horrible and the act of Satan! I don't recall Germany condemning the Normandy invasion...if you are going to treat it like a war, prepare to accept attack! And DON'T be hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!! Now, on to the hostages. You didn't mention them. Hmm, why not? Let me tell you, I used to live in Pakistan and Afghaninstan, and I've been to Iran a few times. My father was with the Embassy in Kabul and the Consulate in Karachi. We were in DC when all this happenned, and he heard a radio commentator say "nuke 'em till they glow". He called up and totally agreed with that guy, and my father is NOT into gunboat diplomacy or anything like that. Taking a diplomatic mission hostage is an unforgivable act of WAR, and we should have done something about it. Carter had the right idea with the rescue mission, but the idiot planners should have put 1 person in overall command and issued common radios. My favorite phrase-"nuke 'em till they glow; use their assholes for landing lights". Believe me, I've known MANY Moslems, and most of them were NOTHING like the kooks that were/are in Iran... And now to the Airbus tragedy. Yes, it was a tragedy. But how can Iran act so damn indignant about it when they gleefully bomb the Pan Am flight and take the hostages...geez, guys, be prepared to take what you are shoveling. And to compare it to KAL 007 is rediculous--the Soviets did not use international frequencies to contact the plane, and did not do the obvious tactic of flying IN FRONT of the canopy so the pilots can see your engine flames. Besides, they had visual observation, and a 747 does not look a THING like anything else, especially not like an RC-135! The Vincennes was under attack by speedboats, and a plane that is sending back F-14 IFF signals just took off from a MILITARY airbase and is heading straight towards you, ignoring your orders to shear off. (And if you don't think Vincennes should be ordering that plane, you just try to fly a plane that has an IFF response of a fighter towards anybody's naval ship during a battle and low cloud cover and see what happens...) Do you know somebody tried to kill his wife in California? So much for the old Moslem traditions of men not shooting at women... (In old battles in Afghanistan, at least, the women fighting wore red pants so men would not shoot at them, only women could shoot at other women.) ARGH, dude, get a life! Geez, you are saying that Iran can do WHATEVER it wants to the US and US citizens because we installed the Shah 40 years ago. And that the Embassy hostage taking was OK because we let an old, sick man in the country for medical attention. I didn't see the Shah attacking France when they let Khomeini in, did you? Followups to alt.flame, to get this BULLSHIT out of the comp.sys heirarchy. PS--I think ALL the fanatics in this world, on all sides, should be locked in a big room and allowed to kill each other. Perhaps then we will get a little peace... -- Ted Woodward (ted@cs.utexas.edu) Greetings, Royal Ugly Dudes!
crs@lambda.UUCP (Charlie Sorsby) (06/28/90)
Is this adolescent bickering really appropriate to this newsgroup? I haven't really been following the thread but checked to see if it had reached the sort of nonsense that I expected it would and, YUP!, it sure had. Com'on, guys. This is supposed to be about, you know, computers and stuff. Charlie
mike@DRD.Com (Mike Rovak) (06/28/90)
wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) wrote: } } The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their } tiraids up here. "Except you repent, you shall ALL likewise perish." - Luke 13:3b "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." - Romans 3:23 "If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." - Romans 10:9 "He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is Love. In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another." - 1 John 4:8-11 'Nuff said? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mike@DRD.Com DRD Corporation uunet!apctrc!drd!mike (918) 743-3013 ========================================================================
kmoore@shiloh.UUCP (kirk moore) (06/28/90)
I find the fact that this message was posted in misc.forsale a little strange. I dont know what this has to do with a item forsale or a responce to a message if a item forsale. For what it is worth, a little history: When the colonies did not like what Britian was doing, we revolted. In fact for the most part when a country has a problem with thier leadership, they for the most part have the power to change it. As in the case of Iran, the people choose to live under the government that they have. They live with the killings that thier government approves of. It is always in the power of the people to change if enough people want the change. I am sorry for what has happened in Iran. It is a great lose of life and meterial. It remains though that they have removed themselves from the world around them and choosen to kill innocent people, mostly americans, with no reguard for their action. They have put themselves in the position that they are in, not us or any other country. So no I feel that they have not right to ask or expect the world to help. They have done this to themselves. To get the world to help you have to play by the rules that in effect at that time. Right now killing people by terrorist acts is out. The world just is not at that game point any more. these are my personal views and do not reflect the generals populations views (I think).... Kmoore
jailbird@cbnewsc.att.com (Ron D. Harvey) (06/28/90)
From article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu>, by wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape): > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their > tiraids up here. Real nice. Hey, by the way, what did God have for breakfast this morning? --- Ron D. Harvey jailbird@ihlpm.ATT.COM "Here's to God Almighty, the laziest man in town."
cindy@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Cindy Manly-Fields) (06/28/90)
In article <1990Jun26.173419.26801@amd.com> phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >In article <1990Jun26.015836.3721@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> gr-ssa@cscraz.UUCP (Shahrooz S. Alavi) writes: >| You are probably too ignorant >| to know that it is only a handfull of fanatics who were responsible >| for the hostage taking and the terroris acts. > >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. > >Perhaps not every Iranian is responsible, but I wonder if you >would forgive and forget a nation that was still holding some >of your people hostage? > >-- >Phil Ngai, phil@amd.com {uunet,decwrl,ucbvax}!amdcad!phil >Separate but equal: Bad for blacks, good for women. I just don't really understand how a few people (those making all the rumors) can make a whole population so distrustful. The US was quick and kind to immediately send food and supplies to Iran, instead we are called names and told that the food we sent would not be eaten because they are on strict diets and to send CASH! CASH! who in the h_ll do they think they are? They should be thankful that people are concerned and really want to help. I feel for the children and the women and the families who have lost everything but don't bite the hand that feeds you. They don't want our help then forget them. My .2 worth. Cindy
fischer@utower.gopas.sub.org (Axel Fischer) (06/28/90)
phil@pepsi.amd.com (Phil Ngai) writes: >But the so called fanatics are holding hostages with the consent >and the aid of the government. That's right. But unfortunately the victims of the earthquake are the poorest of the poor people in the Iran. They don't have to do anything with the terrorists. They are just normal farmers or anything equal with much less money than we here in Germany or you in the States. -Axel -- fischer@utower.gopas.sub.org / fischer@db0tui6.BITNET / fischer@tmpmbx.UUCP Class of '93 That is not dead, which can eternal lie Yet with strange aeons, even death may die.
nolan@tssi.UUCP (Michael Nolan) (06/29/90)
1. I see nothing wrong with humanitarian aid, even to those who spit in our
face. (Because of the instability, I wouldn't go there for all the money
in Japan, but that's not the question here.)
2. I heard on National Public Radio last night that medical aid from Iraq
had arrived in Iran. It seems to me that the people of Iraq have a much
stronger reason to refuse to assist Iran than us here in the USA.
Since I don't get soc. newsgroups, if it hadn't been for the 'inappropriate'
cross-postings, I wouldn't have seen this discussion, certainly one of the
most active within the comp. hierarchy over the past few days.
Just my ill-informed, midwest, Republican, upper-middle-class opinion.
Mike Nolanjimvons@ashtate (Jim von Schmacht) (06/29/90)
In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon Lape) writes: > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their >tiraids up here. ^^^^^^^ 1. Should be tirades. 2. Why don't you send these type of replies to alt.religion.fundamentalist where it belongs...... -- Jim von Schmacht Senior Member, Project Test Staff Ashton Tate Corporation Disclaimer: Standard Issue -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It isn't the years - it's the mileage" -Indiana Jones
yun@wam.umd.edu (Dragon Taunter) (06/29/90)
In article <37320@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> cindy@janus.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Cindy Manly-Fields) writes: > >I just don't really understand how a few people (those making all the >rumors) can make a whole population so distrustful. The US was quick and >kind to immediately send food and supplies to Iran, instead we are called >names and told that the food we sent would not be eaten because they are >on strict diets and to send CASH! >CASH! who in the h_ll do they think they are? They should be thankful that >people are concerned and really want to help. I feel for the children >and the women and the families who have lost everything but don't bite >the hand that feeds you. >They don't want our help then forget them. > >My .2 worth. >Cindy The reason for the request that donations be money is not out of arrogance but out of practicality and from previous experiences with cases of well meant but shortsighted humanitarianism. Oftentimes the donation of material goods (e.g. food stuff, cloths, shoes) have been of questionable worth. One example is the hundred if not thousands of pairs of high heeled shoes sent to victims of another earthquake (I believe Mexico City). The Red Cross will also verify that cash donations allows them to provide more specific and pressing aid faster than is the case with material gifts. -- yun@wam.umd.edu yun@eng.umd.edu Dan Quayle is so dense, he absorbs neutrinos.
system@valnet (sysop) (06/30/90)
jimvons@ashtate (Jim von Schmacht) writes: > In article <1990Jun27.140107.21617@cs.utk.edu> wozniak@utkux1.utk.edu (Bryon > > > > The Muslims are going to hell anyway, so let them have their > >tiraids up here. > ^^^^^^^ > 1. Should be tirades. > > 2. Why don't you send these type of replies to alt.religion.fundamentalist > where it belongs...... > > -- > Jim von Schmacht Senior Member, Project Test Staff Ashton Tate Corporat > Disclaimer: Standard Issue > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "It isn't the years - it's the mileage" -Indiana Jones Why don't you guys take it to another group. Something like soc.culture.iran or something. This is not the place and I am very tired of reading it. Jonathan R. Herr CompSci BBS SysOp (812) 876-4407 system@valnet.bloomington.in.us herrj@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
ward@ttidca.TTI.COM (D. B. Ward) (06/30/90)
In article <1990Jun27.205947.15504@DRD.Com> mike@drd.Com (Mike Rovak) writes: >[religious drivel deleted] >'Nuff said? Entirely too much, you bible-thumping clod! -- Donald Brian Ward "This is my life; Citicorp TTI I live it; I love it; 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. (213)450-9111 x2941 Criticism be damned" Santa Monica, CA 90405 {csun|philabs|psivax}!ttidca!ward Murphy
cooper@plains.UUCP (Jeff Cooper) (07/01/90)
I just wonder how much aid was sent to the US from Iran after the San Fransisco quake...I know that the death tolls in the two quakes aren't even close but I don't seem to remember any world wide call for assistance when the US could have used help...but then again, maybe I'm getting senile and losing my, my....um what is the word I'm thinking of....oh well, just my point of view... ---- "I have something to say, It's better to burn out than fade away" - The Kurgan, "Highlander" Jeff Cooper USnail address: cooper@plains.nodak.edu 1004 Broadway, Apt B1 (701)235-6315 Fargo, ND 58102
david_islander_hughes@cup.portal.com (07/01/90)
While I feel remorse for those people who died in the earthquake and I offer prayers for them and I do not revel in their misery, I do no not go along with postings that "just a few fanatics" are responsible for the hostages and the stance taken by the Iranian Govt. towards the U.S. This is akin to the same 'excuses' used by the German people after WWII. The people of Iran can throw off their yoke of world disgust and would earn the respect of the U.S. and its allies again. Not to sound like a religious zealot . . .what gopes around, comes around. This is not racist, it it patriotic. My brother helped in the ill-fated to rescue the last load of hostages. I say send medical help and food, just as we did with our enemies after WWII, but no other aid.
drxmann@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Dustin Christmann) (07/03/90)
Enough already!!!! For those of you who have not figured it out yet, this sub- ject is entirely irrelevant to the newsgroups listed above. I subscribe to comp.sys.amiga to read articles about the Amiga, not to read this drivel ad nauseum. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way, whether in c.s.a or otherwise. If you strongly disagree with an article that someone has posted, SEND THAT PERSON E-MAIL!! That's what it's there for. I'm tired of wearing my asbestos suit everytime I read c.s.a. Again, I'm sure I'm not the only one. The cost of posting articles is high enough without half of it being completely unrelated to the 7 or 8 newsgroups where it eventually lands. I know that I participated in the FlameFest, but someone brought these facts to my attention and I got tired of spending half of my time sending e-mail to indi- viduals who didn't realize these facts asking them to stop. Thanx, Dustin Christmann drxmann@ccwf.cc.utexas.eduu ...!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu!drxmann
emmo@moncam.co.uk (Dave Emmerson) (07/06/90)
..and says the people who suffered were just ordinary folk, not a fanatic in sight. Not that he expected any different, it's much the same anywhere that International Rescue get sent. God forbid that any of YOU should judge ME by the rantings and ravings of that bl***y Thatcher woman! - nor by the cretinous remarks some people make on this net! Dave E. -disclaimer- Nothing to do with my employer, just me blowing off steam.