[mod.religion.christian] God as potter Rom. 9

hedrick@topaz.UUCP (11/17/86)

I'm going to make yet another attempt to deal with Rom 9, where Paul
talks about men as pots, and refers to God hardening their hearts.
I'm basing my comments somewhat loosely on the discussions of this
passage in commentaries by Karl Barth and C. K. Barrett.

It is important to note the context of this passage and how it
functions in the overall argument of the surrounding sections.  Paul
is dealing with the fact that the Jews rejected Jesus and Gentiles
accepted him.  Paul sees this as part of the divine plan, to dramatize
the fact that we are all dependent upon God's grace.  He is not
dealing primarily with the issue of individual salvation.  It may be
the case that God could decide that certain people are to be damned,
and that there would be nothing we could say about it.  But that isn't
what is being discussed here.  Rather, he is dealing with the fact
that (as he sees it) the Jews as a people are being temporarily
rejected to allow for inclusion of the Gentiles.  As we see over the
course of the next few chapters, God allows the Jews to fall into
rejection now, just as the Gentiles had rejected God in the past, to
make it clear that it is his grace alone that brings salvation.  He
fully intends for the Jews to recover from this and accept Christ
themselves.  The objection he is dealing with in Chap 9 is not why
certain individuals will end up in Hell, but the question of why his
overall plan calls for the Jews to fall into a hardened position where
they reject God.  He says in effect that God's goal is not to put us
in the best possible light, but rather to show as clearly as possible
both the mercy that he intends for us and his condemnation of the
attitude that refuses to rely on that mercy.  For this reason, he has
chosen to allow both Jews and Gentiles to demonstrate in their own
turn, in different ways, the folly of trying to go it alone.  However
the fact that they are, as it were, object lessons to the world does
not mean that in the long run the Jews are rejected.  So we are not
talking about final damnation here.  Indeed Paul continues to hope
that in the end the object lesson will be completed by having the Jews
accept God's grace.  The objection he anticipates in Chap 9 is not
"How can you condemn all these people to Hell?", but "You can't treat
me as a pawn this way.  I'm a man, with rights of my own, not some
sort of classroom demonstration."  But the whole burden of Paul's
message is that our right is with God, not ourselves, and if we object
to being God's clay, we are adopting precisely the attitude that will
make his grace impossible for us.

I do not say that this interpretation solves all problems.  Paul
obviously believes that individuals are lost.  In the end, we are
going to have to deal with any theological problems raised by that.
But I don't think the potter/clay analogy is intended to deal with the
ultimate fate of individuals.