[mod.religion.christian] GLYASDI

christian@topaz.UUCP (03/11/87)

Evening folks!  This is my first posting on this network.  Just wanted to
say "hi" to all my Brothers and Sisters in Christ (BASIC) and wish you all
God's Blessings in whatever it is you all are doing.

Second of all, I was wondering if anyone had any information on backwards
messages in music.  Recently, I had this discussion with a Charasmatic -
Anabaptist on our floor who has gone from the extreme of almost being a
terrorist in Lebanon, to being the most ultra-conservative Christian I know,
almost to the point of being Amish.  It's one of his claims that if we know
there is a possiblitiy of our sub-concious picking up a backwards message,
even if it was placed there unknowingly, bu Satan, should we take a chance
and listen to it.  This is even one of his more radical views, seeing as he
doesn't believe there is any good  in any music, including Christian music.

Well, that's all.  I hope some of you could lend me a hand with this.  I'm
just curious what you all think.

In Him,

Greg Ota 
ihnp4!wheaton

Wheaton College
Wheaton, IL 60187
(originally from Fairfax, VA)

[There was a discussion of this on talk.religion.misc some time ago.
 Would someone be willing to summarize it?  I'd like not to duplicate
 the whole discussion.  As I recall, most if not all cases turn out to
 be false alarms.  That is, if you play the thing backwards you don't
 get anything.  The danger of some subliminal message has to be balanced
 against the very clear danger of spreading unjustified rumors that if
 believed would damage a musician's career.  One would like to think
 that unjustified rumors would not arise in the Christian community.  
 However there is excellent evidence to the contrary.  Records are not
 the only victim.  Various companies have been accused of having 
 connections with Satanism, with specific allegations that can easily
 be disproven.  In my opinion, the history of such accusations is such
 that one should carefully check any allegations before passing them on.
 In addition to the commandment against bearing false witness, unjustifed
 accusations cause the Christian faith to fall into ill repute.  People
 wonder, quite justifiably, whether people who are so gullible about
 matters that are so easily checked are to be believed about more
 weighty items. --clh ]

 
  

wargo@sdics.uucp (Dave Wargo) (03/17/87)

Greg;

Welcome to the net.

There is a radio station (christian) that is heard in San Diego (it is
in L.A.) that did some research on backwards masking.

The conclusion was that the english language is such that spoken
backwards it, sometimes, can be construed to make words.

This is not to say that some people have not injected backwards
masking to get there point across.

What is does say is that if one listens long enough one can make words
"appear" in the garbage.

My opinion is that 1) I could probably hear anything in records played
backward, yes even christian records and 2) there is so much pure
trash on the records played forward that why should the musicians go
thru all that work (backwards masking) when it's right there for all
the world to hear.


Again welcome to the net.  There are some interesting conversations
here from time to time.

Dave Wargo
ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdics:wargo

Ice Cream, it isn't just for dessert anymore.