[net.sf-lovers] Group mind

@RUTGERS.ARPA:BARBANCON@YALE.ARPA (02/26/85)

From: Monique Barbancon <Barbancon@YALE.ARPA>

         How about G.R.R Martin's "A song for Lya" ?
  It's a short story about two humans telepaths meeting an  
alien group mind entity. Definitely worth reading...

@RUTGERS.ARPA:levin@bbncct (02/27/85)

From: Joel B. Levin <levin@BBNCCT.ARPA>

I remember a story (but not its author or title) about a 'micro'-group
mind--a few individuals linked together, as opposed to a species-wide or
planet-wide group mind--in some collection I know I own but which is
buried in one of several boxes.  I am missing two digest issues (63 and
64), but otherwise I have not seen it mentioned.

The narrator is the personnel director of a large Hughes-like Defense
contractor.  He has an interest in psi abilities (without possessing any
himself) which gets him in trouble with his boss, and he is always being
pestered by a Col. Flagg type security officer.  This story is not the
first in the line: I read another a long time ago, and this story has
references to events probably contained in earlier stories.  A group of
five college grads come to see him; they are individuals but are linked
together and think of themselves as "George".  The narrator thinks they
are using a gimmick to attract his attention (finishing each others'
sentences seamlessly), but he hires them into different departments of
his company.  The company gets in trouble with DOD because "George"
expedites interdepartmental interactions and jobs start getting done
(gasp!) on time, and DOD wants to know why.

I would be interested to know the extent of this series and if it exists
in a single collection.

	/JBL

srt@ucla-cs.UUCP (03/01/85)

I vaguely recall a story in which a group mind is formed when a retarded
farm hand meets up with a mongoloid child, a child with telekinetic
abilities and a pair of telepathic (naked) twins.  I may have some of the
details wrong, but surely someone remembers the details.  I think the
story is considered a "classic" - I certainly consider it so.

						-- Scott Turner

fish@ihlpg.UUCP (Bob Fishell) (03/05/85)

***     AC  T              YOUR     AGE ***

I have read a book called "Mindbridge," By Hoe Haldeman.  It involved
a melding of minds via a telepathic alien that physically resembled
a wet sponge.

It was also one of the worst SF novels I've ever read in my life.
/_\_

				Bob Fishell
				ihnp4!ihlpg!fish

@RUTGERS.ARPA:Slocum.CSCDA@HI-MULTICS.ARPA (03/07/85)

From: Slocum@HI-MULTICS.ARPA

> I vaguely recall a story in which a group mind is formed when a
> retarded farm hand meets up with a mongoloid child, a child with
> telekinetic abilities and a pair of telepathic (naked) twins.

This is More than Human by Theo. Sturgeon, which I mentioned in regards
to group minds.

                                      - Brett Slocum

bobd@zaphod.UUCP (Bob Dalgleish) (03/08/85)

> I vaguely recall a story in which a group mind is formed when a retarded
> farm hand meets up with a mongoloid child, a child with telekinetic
> abilities and a pair of telepathic (naked) twins.  I may have some of the
> details wrong, but surely someone remembers the details.  I think the
> story is considered a "classic" - I certainly consider it so.
> 
> 						-- Scott Turner

*** REFINE THIS MESSY PLACE WITH YOUR LOSSAGE ***

How classic was it? - Theodore Sturgeon almost made a career of this
concept.  You're right, it does sound familiar: I vaguely recall one
novel and some short stories from the man with this theme.  I have no
pointers, since I don't keep my SF collection in anything remotely
resembling Dewey Decimal notation, but start with his collections.
_More_Than_Human_ is the first anthology I would look at - it should
have pointers to others.  Also, try the gigantic anthology by Anthony
Boucher (the name is on the tip of my tongue, it's ... it's ..., oh, you
know the one I mean, it comes in two volumes and was offered by the
Science Fiction Book Club as their loss leader).
-- 
[The opinions expressed here are only loosely based on the facts]

Bob Dalgleish		...!alberta!sask!zaphod!bobd
			      ihnp4!
(My company has disclaimed any knowledge of me and whatever I might say)

ellen@reed.UUCP (Ellen Eades) (03/12/85)

Leonard Wibberley wrote a really great kids' sf book
called Encounter Near Venus which has a group mind
made up of critters called "lumens" which are little
lights which live in the Seesuch, which is the ocean
of Nede, which is a satellite of Venus.  It's a very
improbable and entertaining book, especially if you
are into things like baby gorgons and multicolored
Popsicle-flavored crystal cliffs and centaurs with
Liverpool accents.  Fun stuff.
		-- Ellen

donn@utah-gr.UUCP (Donn Seeley) (03/12/85)

Bob Dalgleish wonders what was the name of the gigantic anthology
edited by Anthony Boucher some time ago.  I believe it is called THE
TREASURY OF SCIENCE FICTION and while I don't have a copy of my own to
verify this, I remember it vividly from having read it in the school
library in junior high (in Hong Kong, of all places).  It had some
wonderful things collected in it -- whole novels, not just stories.
Pieces like BRAIN WAVE by Poul Anderson (where it is discovered that
stupidity is an artifact of some strange cosmic radiation, which
vanishes and leaves everyone normal); THE [WIDGET], THE [WADGET], AND
BOFF by Theodore Sturgeon (a very funny and very sentimental story,
classic Sturgeon); RE-BIRTH by John Wyndham (his best novel, in my
opinion -- published in England as THE CHRYSALIDS); 'Mimsy Were the
Borogoves' by 'Lewis Padgett' (another classic); 'Gomez' by Cyril
Kornbluth; and (I think) A. E. Van Vogt's THE WEAPON SHOPS OF ISHER.
(Well, how many of these did I get right?) These two volumes were
primarily responsible for my getting lured into science fiction...
If you're unfamiliar with these classics, you really are deprived.

The book Scott Turner is asking about is surely Sturgeon's MORE THAN
HUMAN.  A superlative book -- Sturgeon's best novel, I think.  While
typing the preceding paragraph I was trying to remember the names of
all three novellas in it and for some reason could come up with only
two: 'And Baby Is Three' (almost certainly the story you remember) and
'Morality'.  These present a much more interesting portrait of 'homo
superior' than is found in a book debated over here recently, EMERGENCE
by David R. Palmer.  To say that MORE THAN HUMAN is Sturgeon's best
novel is a bit discriminatory against his other novels such as THE
DREAMING JEWELS, VENUS PLUS X, [WIDGET] and others, which are mostly
excellent as well.  One of my favorite Sturgeon novels is very hard to
find and is (I think) amazingly good in spite of its obscurity; it's
called SOME OF YOUR BLOOD and makes the recent rash of vampire novels
which rationalize the existence of such creatures look rather silly.

Now I'll have to go home and dig these books out,

Donn Seeley    University of Utah CS Dept    donn@utah-cs.arpa
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