bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) (02/13/90)
Formal call for discussion
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This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
soc.culture newsgroup.
The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share
their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture
newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
news.groups newsgroup.
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* Bob Boulanger Verdix Corporation *
* bob@verdix.com 1600 NW Compton Drive *
* (503)690-1116(w) (503)357-4644(h) Aloha, OR 97006 *bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) (02/15/90)
Formal call for discussion
==========================
This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
soc.culture newsgroup.
The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share
their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture
newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
news.groups newsgroup.
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* Bob Boulanger Verdix Corporation *
* bob@verdix.com 1600 NW Compton Drive *
* (503)690-1116(w) (503)357-4644(h) Aloha, OR 97006 *hack@ncrclm.Clemson.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender) (02/16/90)
In article <241@verdix.verdix.com>, bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German > soc.culture newsgroup. > The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended > to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share > their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture > newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans. > ********************************************************************* > * Bob Boulanger Verdix Corporation * > * bob@verdix.com 1600 NW Compton Drive * > * (503)690-1116(w) (503)357-4644(h) Aloha, OR 97006 * Great idea!! Everywhere on the net, there are news groups for just about everyone. --I think it would be good to have one for the "deutschies" among us. Think about it, recent studies have indicated that close to 25% of the population of the US can trace their origins back to German ancestry! If the group were formed, what exactly would be its intent? Would/Could postings be bilingual? (Please forgive my questions -- I'm relatively new to the net, and I've still a great deal to learn.) -- ****************************************************************************** * Elaine Hacklaender@Clemson.NCR.COM * Dare to go where Angels fear tread,* * ...!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!ncrclm!hack * The gods are with you * ******************************************************************************
efsl@tahoma.UUCP (Michael D. Riston) (02/16/90)
In article <234@verdix.verdix.com>, bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > > Formal call for discussion > ========================== > This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German > soc.culture newsgroup. > The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended > to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and share > their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in soc.culture > newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans. > If we include other French-speakers in a proposed soc.culture.french, I would propose something analogous for a soc.culture.german: Austrians, Swiss-Germans, Alsatians, Eupener-Belgians and such should be invited and encouraged to contribute. That said, I believe both newsgroups would provide worthwhile forums on the net. We already enjoy the range of opinions expressed in soc.culture.nordic, as well as the numerous soc. culture.asian groups, and others too, with net-contributors interested in things African, Arabic, Greek, and virtually everywhere else. Given that Germany is a focus of world attention, with its dynamic economic success (can it be true? Germany now has the world's largest trade surplus, at $88 billion?), and the impending reunification of the Federal Republic with the soon-to-be-former Democratic Republic, the creation of soc.culture.germanic is certainly timely. And given the ongoing contributions of French culture to the modern world, I see the creation of soc.culture.french as similarly positive, with French, Belgian, Quebecois, and other French-influenced cultures joining in. -- These opinions are my own, and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -- Don efsl@tahoma ...!bcstec!tahoma!efsl
MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) (02/18/90)
I think soc.culture.german will be a most beneficial addition to the cultural
newsgroups. With all the things happening in central Europe right now, a group
to discuss Germany and Germans (and german speaking peoples - ie Austrians,
and Swiss), would be an opportune place to discuss such issues, as well as the
past history, and other cultural stuff.
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Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei-
ben, wenn moeglich.
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MRB118@PSUVM.PSU.EDU "Fuer das leibliche Wohl
ist bestens gesorgt."dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) (02/18/90)
In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes:
#Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei-
You can. But those of us of German descent who do not speak German would
feel terribly left out.
Douglas Krause One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
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University of California, Irvine Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsafr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) (02/19/90)
In article <241@verdix.verdix.com> bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > > Formal call for discussion Not much to say, except I'm all for it. Fred Rump -- This is my house. My castle will get started right after I finish with news. 26 Warren St. uucp: ...{bpa dsinc uunet}!cdin-1!icdi10!fr Beverly, NJ 08010 domain: fred@cdin-1.uu.net or icdi10!fr@cdin-1.uu.net 609-386-6846 "Freude... Alle Menschen werden Brueder..." - Schiller
eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) (02/19/90)
From article <25DE69BA.13757@orion.oac.uci.edu>, by dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause): > In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes: > #Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei- > > You can. But those of us of German descent who do not speak German would > feel terribly left out. > I hope there is plenty of German as I would like to practice reading and writing the language. Ich moechte Deutsch lernen. Ich moechte in Deutschland arbeiten. -- Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not speaking for the company, I'm just losing my mind.
JIW2@psuvm.psu.edu (John Wagner) (02/20/90)
Formal call for discussion
==========================
>This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German
>soc.culture newsgroup.
>The proposed newsgroup, unmoderated soc.culture.german, is intended
>to generally provide a medium for those interested to express and
>share their views and feelings about *things* (normally discussed in ure
>soc.cult newsgroups) related to Germany and Germans.
>The discussion period will last for 2 weeks from today.
>Comments and discussions are welcome provided they are also posted to
>news.groups newsgroup.
This is a great idea! As an American of German descent, I
try to keep in touch with events in Germany by reading German
magazines, and would find a German newsgroup of great interest.
There has been some concern, I have noticed, about making
entries bilingual, since not everyone (including me) writes German
particularly well. I don't think this need be a problem. I also
am in touch with a Mexican newsgroup in which the ground rules are:
The language of choice is English. If you can write in both languages,
do so. If you do not write English at all, Spanish-only is okay.
As far as I can tell, this is working out very well. If the proposed
German newsgroup followed the same pattern, it should be able to
accomodate the maximum number of participants. Plus, the bilingual
entries would help in sharpening written German skills, so that
more of us (including me again) could eventually start submitting
bilingual entries of our own. Personally, I could read the German-
only entries, but those who cannot can just skip them, as I skip the
Spanish-only entries in the Mexican newsgroup.
Gluck auf!
John Wagner
Pennsylvania State Universityhack@ncrclm.Clemson.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender) (02/20/90)
In article <2077@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) writes: > From article <25DE69BA.13757@orion.oac.uci.edu>, by dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause): > > In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes: > > #Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei- > > > > You can. But those of us of German descent who do not speak German would > > feel terribly left out. > > Perhaps we should get someone to translate for you. Most of the people I know with German ancestry made an attempt to learn the language. > > I hope there is plenty of German as I would like to practice > reading and writing the language. > > Ich moechte Deutsch lernen. Ich moechte in Deutschland arbeiten. > -- Ich brauche auch die Uebung. Seit dem ich in Deutschland war, habe ich mein deutsch totall verlernt. Meine Grammatik ist leider sehr schlecht geworden. Hoffentlich wenn wir eine deutsche Gruppe haben werden, werde ich die Gelegenheit haben mein deutsch zu verbessern. Ich wunsche Ihnen viel Glueck in die Stellungssuche, da mir bekannt ist wie schwierig es ist in Deutschland eine Stelle zu bekommen. Ich war sechs Monate als Praktikantin bei BMW und wunsche jetzt dass, ich zuerueck gehen koennte. Aber zuerst muss' ich wieder mein deutsch verbessern. Tja, was kann man machen??? Tchuess. Elaine -- ****************************************************************************** * Elaine Hacklaender@Clemson.NCR.COM * Dare to go where Angels fear tread,* * ...!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!ncrclm!hack * The gods are with you * ******************************************************************************
jgw@cbnews.ATT.COM (John G. Weinhardt) (02/21/90)
I would like to voice an enthusiastic "jawohl" for the proposed soc.culture.german newsgroup. Although I immigrated to the USA as a small child with my parents, I have not effectively kept in touch with my German background. I personally welcome an opportunity to learn more about Germans and the 2 Germanies (perhaps soon to be one). Auf Wiedersehen ! John (Hans-Juergen) Weinhardt
lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis) (02/22/90)
I think a soc.culture.german conference would be a desireable conference. I would suggest, however, that messages within the conference be required to be in English; to allow messages sent in German would sharply reduce your potential "market" of users. There are many users of German extraction who would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them. On the other paw, most German students, I understand, do speak and read English. Good luck! UUCP: uunet!serene!pnet12!lyled ARPA: crash!pnet12!lyled@nosc.mil INET: lyled@pnet12.cts.com
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) (02/22/90)
In article <14180@cbnews.ATT.COM> jgw@cbnews.ATT.COM (John G. Weinhardt) writes: >I would like to voice an enthusiastic "jawohl" for the proposed >soc.culture.german newsgroup. ... Could you please keep this stuff out of soc.culture.nordic. Thanks. /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | If you want PL/I, you know where to CS Dept., Univ. of Aalborg, DENMARK. | find it. -- D. M. Ritchie
MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) (02/22/90)
How about if I leave a translation then? Then you could pick up a little of the language too....MB
dorai@titan.rice.edu (Dorai Sitaram) (02/23/90)
In article <1472@serene.UUCP> lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis) writes: >I think a soc.culture.german conference would be a desireable conference. > >I would suggest, however, that messages within the conference be required to >be in English; to allow messages sent in German would sharply reduce your >potential "market" of users. There are many users of German extraction who >would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the >language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them. > >On the other paw, most German students, I understand, do speak and read >English. I think the above posting is very clear in stating which language is expendable. I'm not sure that's quite healthy. How about letting each poster post in German or English as s/he wants, and whether s/he provides a translation is also up to him/er? To make German the expendable language in its own group is unfair, and to allow English postings freely is fair enough without having to push it by demanding "English-only." I know there are several instances of "English-only" (or something very close to it) in many of the soc.culture groups, and reasons for the cannibalization of "local" languages seem to be that there are few or no posters from the geographic area in question (Arabia, China, India, Srilanka, Turkey, etc.) or that the geog'l area has too many mutually incomprehensible tongues for them all to be accommodated (India, Nordic). In contrast, the Latinamerican group seems to have hit upon the best solution of all. Postings fly freely and amicably in both English and Spanish (with a bit of Portuguese on the side). In fact, one often notices follow-ups in a different language from the original posting. This highlights the fact that there are lots of folk out there who may not be totally comfortable writing a language but understand it handsomely. I therefore would suggest caution before imposing _any_ restrictive language requirement such as the one proposed by Lyle. BTW, would Lyle have the nerve to advocate "English-only" in soc.culture.french? :-] :-] --dorai ps: BTW, I like your postings a lot, Lyle. Keep them coming. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It may be that the gulfs will wash us down; It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars P. Fischer) (02/23/90)
In article <1472@serene.UUCP> lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis) writes: >I would suggest, however, that messages within the conference be required to >be in English; You cannot "require" anything on the net. People can post in any language they like. We can only hope that people will stick to the tradition of writing in English on the wide-distribution groups. On the other hand, there are > 100 Mp (Mega-people) with German as their native language. Learning the language couldn't hurt, what with BRD as the strongest economic power in the world... /Lars -- Lars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | If you want PL/I, you know where to CS Dept., Univ. of Aalborg, DENMARK. | find it. -- D. M. Ritchie
eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) (02/24/90)
From article <1472@serene.UUCP>, by lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis): > [...] There are many users of German extraction who > would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the > language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them. Surely both languages can be accomodated. If the "Subject:" line is in the same language as the message then the disinterested reader can quickly skip over it. -- Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm not speaking for the company, I'm just losing my mind.
fr@icdi10.UUCP (Fred Rump from home) (02/24/90)
In article <573@ncrclm.Clemson.NCR.COM> hack@ncrclm.Clemson.NCR.COM (Elaine Hacklaender) writes: >In article <2077@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) writes: >> From article <25DE69BA.13757@orion.oac.uci.edu>, by dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause): >> > In article <90048.121218MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu> MRB118@psuvm.psu.edu (Mark Boltz) writes: >> > #Q: Can/Would postings be bi-lingual? Ich moechte naemlich auf Deutsch schrei- > Ich wunsche Ihnen viel Glueck in die Stellungssuche, da mir > bekannt ist wie schwierig es ist in Deutschland eine Stelle Es ist schoen die Muttersprache hier im Netz zu sehen aber lassen wir doch warten bis die Gruppe zusammensteht. Eins moechte ich nur noch sagen: das Sie, Ihnen and andere Hoeflichkeiten braucht man doch nicht in Amerika. Wir, Ihr, Du, Dir usw sollte doch reichen um verstaendlich zu werden. Hoffentlich werden genug stimmen zusammen kommen die die Gruppe auch genehmigen! Fred -- This is my house. My castle will get started right after I finish with news. 26 Warren St. uucp: ...{bpa dsinc uunet}!cdin-1!icdi10!fr Beverly, NJ 08010 domain: fred@cdin-1.uu.net or icdi10!fr@cdin-1.uu.net 609-386-6846 "Freude... Alle Menschen werden Brueder..." - Schiller
inc@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) (02/26/90)
In article <2120@cbnewsk.ATT.COM>, eob@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (eamonn.j.o'brien) writes:
From article <1472@serene.UUCP>, by lyled@pnet12.cts.com (Lyle Davis):
LD: [...] There are many users of German extraction who
LD: would be interested in their ancestral home, yet do not speak or read the
LD: language. Certainly, you would not want to exclude them.
EO'B: Surely both languages can be accomodated. If the "Subject:" line is in
EO'B: the same language as the message then the disinterested reader can
EO'B: quickly skip over it.
EO'B: Eamonn O'Brien ohm!eob eob@ohm.att.com
I agree. Mo such requirement exists for any other "soc.culture" groups --
why should the Germans require English-only postings?
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Gary Benson -=[ S M I L E R ]=- -_-_-_-inc@fluke.tc.com_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Absence of evidence should never be mistaken for evidence of absence.
-Walter Lewin, MIT Astronomeroplinger@minerva.crd.ge.com (B. S. Oplinger) (02/27/90)
In article <15186@fluke.COM> inc@tc.fluke.COM (Gary Benson) writes: > >I agree. Mo such requirement exists for any other "soc.culture" groups -- >why should the Germans require English-only postings? Because not everyone who wants to be able to read/know/participate can read and write German! Isn't this obvious? English is simply the most common language across the rather large (Japan/North America/Europe at the least) areas and diverse (just imagine all those countries) cultures. brian oplinger@crd.ge.com <#include standard.disclaimer>
hegenberger@ecs.umass.edu (03/03/90)
In article <241@verdix.verdix.com>, bob@verdix.com (Bob Boulanger) writes: > This is the 1st call for discussion for the creation of a German > soc.culture newsgroup I have been waiting to see this posting for some time. Sounds like a great idea. But I see no need to restrict the postings to English - it seems only intuitive to "permit" German postings in a German culture newsgroup. Those interested in the countries and culture will probably have at least a passing interest in the language, and they may be pleased to find that they can understand more than half of what is posted in German, anyway - it's not like you're asking them to learn some obscure dialect with no relation to English! I happy me upon the first postings. Erich Hegenberger Dept. of Chemical Engineering UMass/Amherst