trash@oliveb.UUCP (Tom Repa) (10/07/86)
> Xref: talk.abortion:62 < My shuggoth ate your line-eater> n.b. > = Kiki Herbst > Just information :-). I would be the last person to legislate because I > hate being legislated to! I agree with what you said. Let me ask you, > how do you determine "what is best for ourselves", how do you determine > truth or what is right? Seems I forgot to answer your questions in my first reply, so here goes. How do I determine what is best for myself ? Well, I think about as many relavent facts as I can, assess my emotional and psychological position on the issue, think about the consequences of various actions and non-actions, perhaps ask trusted freinds or expert advisors, weigh all the factors carefully, then decide. This is of course assuming I don't fly off the handle and do something without thinking. (Hopefully one day I will master the sword of no sword and cease thinking about some things entirely :-)) This is obviously a best case scenario. How do I determine what is truth? I don't try "Truth" is much to slippery a concept to bother with. I do have many notions about what is real, to me, but Truth? I woundn't touch it with a 10' pole. The reason I say this is that I got my degree in physics, and I had to try to deal with Q.M. That stuff twisted my brain a bit, and I don't know if I even want to declare anything is "True". As for what is right, my ethics are pretty simple. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" says it about as well as anything I could think of. If the fundimentalist christian extremists (well all extremists, really) would believe that, REALLY believe it, the world would be so much nicer. You don't try to make me worship Jesus, and I won't try to make you worship Cthulhu. (Of course, when the Great Cthulhu raises from his Tomb in sunken R'lyeh, he's going to eat you all) This explains my position on abortion; Let the woman decide. If the female really cares about the advise of the male partner, then she might want him to have a vote. But the ultimite decision is the womans, since she is the one who must bear the burden of bearing the child. To those who say:"well how would you like to have been aborted?" I have to answer, I don't think I would have cared. This is because I don't think I was concious at the time of conception or anytime close to it, and if I was I would simply have waited for the next available fetus and tried again. Whilst waiting I would play with a 5-dimensional rubiks hypercube.:-) I'm not sure what current christian thought is on this issue, whether a fetus' soul, when aborted (either naturally or artificially) goes to heaven, hell, or gets a second chance. Clearly I think choice two is the only viable one. But I'm not saying it's true! This same philosophy should be extended to: Prayer in school Evolution vs. Creationism Laws "for your own good" ... and others but since this forum is talk.abortion, and since this posting is already much to long and I have to get back to work, I'll end it here. Tom Repa (trash@oliven) -- Path: {hplabs,glacier,ihnp4}!oliveb!oliven!trash If those paths don't work, try: {hali,yuggoth,rlyeh}!miskatonic!shining!trapazohedron!:-O -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ ___ * \ / * " That is not dead which can eternal lie, //|\\ And in strange aeons even death may die. / / | \ \ | \ / | \ \ / / Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl ! ___________________________________________________________________________