pdobeda@watnot.UUCP (Paul D. Obeda) (10/09/86)
We start off with: >Christian Wiedmann, c160-aw@zooey.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP
and >>J.M.Berkley, mberkley@watdcsu.UUCP
>>Morally, you can't do anything but consider the fetus a "person."
>
>You're making the mistaken assumption that YOUR morals are EVERYBODY's morals.
>Personally, I agree with you, but on the other hand I don't think it's fair
>to press your beliefs on a society. No doubt you've detected that I'm pro-
>choice by now. Morals are essentially arbitrary rules shared to a limited
>degree by members of a society. They are similar, but not identical. Remember,
>there are no definitive or absolute morals.
I must agree absolutely that there are no such things as morals.
(Well, that's not what he said, but this isn't what I'm saying,
either.) Many people claim to be against killing one's spouse, but I
don't agree at all on this one. I don't mean to say that I have any
intentions of killing my spouse, (or that she would have any
plans to kill me, were I married, but this is trite) but merely that I
support one's *right* to do so. And I don't think it's at all fair
for certain members of our society to try to press their beliefs
against this practise on society as a whole. After all, what business
does the State, or anyone else have in these matters, which are solely
between myself and my spouse??? (BTW, my wife is a black Jewish
crippled woman, Wattever difference that might make.)
I point out that this policy gives me a sense of liberation, strength,
independence, and control over my life (I can kill my wife first, and
control whether or not she should be mad at me) without feelings of
guilt or remorse, and it does not give me any mental problems.
Next, >> = Mike Berkley, mberkley@watdcsu.UUCP
> = Tom Repa, trash@oliveb.UUCP
: Re: Aborted Babies: Medical Spare Parts
>> [Mike gives] a quote from Scientific American, Aug 1986. The article is
>> "Transplantation in the Central Nervous System" by Alan Fine:
> The aborted !baby is dead tissue, nothing else. It seems
>to me that this is about the same thing as giving your organs to
>medical research after your dead.
... Hmm. It seems to me that a not so very long ago some med students
were charged with murder. There weren't enough cadavers to go around,
so, well...
As far as using fetal remains in experiments, Mike, I, and many others
find such highly repulsive. Since, in this case, you freely admit
that there are many alternative sources for the required tissue, why
is there any hesitation in condemning the use of fetal tissue?? Why
be unnecessarily contrary, except to be closed-minded?
And finally, > = Melissa Silvestre, melissa@mit-trillian.MIT.EDU
>> = Marty Brilliant, marty1@houem.UUCP
[Discussion about viability outside the womb (>>) as a criterion for
personhood, and the setting of an arbitrary time limit (>) during which
abortions may be permitted, where the time would be dependent on
technology to allow sufficient time to assess genetic makeup]
>
>I'd like to know, how do other pro-choice'ers deal with the fact that
>0 months is rapidly becoming the age of viability?
>
Not being other "pro-choice-ers", I can only respond with my
observations that some truly accept the coming of the end of abortions
(like drinking&driving), while others look for other excuses to permit
abortions, and cling to them religiously.
Paul D. Obedatrash@oliveb.UUCP (Tom Repa) (10/12/86)
From Paul D. Obeda > ... Hmm. It seems to me that a not so very long ago some med students > were charged with murder. There weren't enough cadavers to go around, > so, well... > As far as using fetal remains in experiments, Mike, I, and many others > find such highly repulsive. Since, in this case, you freely admit > that there are many alternative sources for the required tissue, why > is there any hesitation in condemning the use of fetal tissue?? Why > be unnecessarily contrary, except to be closed-minded? No, not to be close-minded, but to let the research continue. If the experts in the field think this would be a fruitful course to follow, let them. I have already given my reasons for disbelieving the spare parts scenario, so I have no problems with letting the research continue. I worry when non-experts try to tell experts how to conduct their experiments. Trying to regulate your nieghbors so they must abide by your religionous convictions, now that's repulsive. Tom Repa (trash@oliven) -- WATCH OUT! You might get what you're after. - T. Heads Path: {allegra,glacier,hplabs,ihnp4}!oliveb!oliven!trash