marty1@houem.UUCP (M.BRILLIANT) (10/13/86)
Article <1775@vax3.fluke.UUCP> from jimt@fluke.UUCP (James Turner), quoted in full: >God says not to murder people. Exodus 20:13, Romans 13:9, Exodus 23:7 > >Abortion is murder. Jeremiah 1:4-5, Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41 Please don't quote the Bible as though it were the last word. If you're just correcting someone who read something different in the Bible, please make that clear by appropriate references. What turned me off from the Bible as a moral guide is the way the Israelites, with the aid of the Hand of God, blasted their way like a Blitzkrieg through the land of Canaan, slaughtering the inhabitants along the way. I suppose the ethics of the Old Testament, and the New Testament, were advanced for their time, but today we would not condone a Jewish Blitzkrieg. So you may quote the Bible to those who are convinced by it. But when others in this newsgroup are complaining that today's laws can't deal with future technical advances, I would not base my morals on 2000-year-old quotations taken out of context. Sorry, I don't mean to stifle discussion based on the Bible. Just put it in perspective. M. B. Brilliant Marty AT&T-BL HO 3D-520 (201)-949-1858 Holmdel, NJ 07733 ihnp4!houem!marty1
pdobeda@watnot.UUCP (Paul D. Obeda) (10/14/86)
> marty1@houem.UUCP (M.B.Brilliant) >> jimt@fluke.UUCP (James Turner) >>God says not to murder people. Exodus 20:13, Romans 13:9, Exodus 23:7 >> >>Abortion is murder. Jeremiah 1:4-5, Luke 1:15, Luke 1:41 >What turned me off from the Bible as a moral guide is the way the >Israelites, with the aid of the Hand of God, blasted their way like a >Blitzkrieg through the land of Canaan, slaughtering the inhabitants >along the way. I suppose the ethics of the Old Testament, and the New >Testament, were advanced for their time, but today we would not condone >a Jewish Blitzkrieg. > >Sorry, I don't mean to stifle discussion based on the Bible. Just put >it in perspective. Sorry for posting this publicly, as I am sure that Marty is the only one to whom this appropriately addressed, (Wanna buy some land in Florida??) but it seems all too popular to take a comment in or out of context from the Bible, twist its meaning to justify any particular view, and then claim that the Bible supports that view. The Bible is very clear that murder is against God's will. The Bible also is clear enough that induced abortion does constitute murder. On the other hand, the inhabitants of Canaan were not living according to God's will. God dinna like that, and He gave the land back to the Israelites. It's (in an oversimplified way) something like this: God let everyone know what the Law was/is. Some chose not to play along by the rules. They risk getting blasted away, just as does anyone who does not do as God says, today. Change your attitude, and there's a whole new light on the situation. This discussion now could quickly turn to What God Says, and Why Should We Listen. But here, now, I don't really care what you believe. It won't change the facts of what's gonna happen; it won't make abortion _right_. Paul D. Obeda