@RUTGERS.ARPA:LAURENCE@SU-CSLI.ARPA (03/28/85)
From: Laurence R Brothers <LAURENCE@SU-CSLI.ARPA> I saw the film WIZARDS again recently. Though admittedly it has a number of flaws, this is perhaps my favorite sf/fantasy movie, and it outdoes most of the mainstream movies I can think of too. Anyone else have any comment here? Does anyone know if Bakshi has been doing anything else lately? Outside of FRITZ THE CAT and WIZARDS, I don't think very much of his work; in particular I abominate the repulsive LORD OF THE RINGS (part 1) with the Amerind Strider and the roly-poly ents. I waited with a bunch of friends four hours for the first showing at the Ziegfield in New York, and can still feel disappointed and let down if I try.... -Laurence "Like, fuck a d**k, man." -------
barry@ames.UUCP (Kenn Barry) (04/10/85)
> I saw the film WIZARDS again recently. Though admittedly it has a number > of flaws, this is perhaps my favorite sf/fantasy movie, and it outdoes > most of the mainstream movies I can think of too. Anyone else have > any comment here? Yes. The rotoscoping in WIZARDS was very sloppy, much poorer than LOTR. Also, the borrowed footage from Eisenstein was used to excess, and detracted from the movie. Finally, the surprise ending was a total cheat, which denied the only point the film seemed to be making. Despite which, I still enjoyed some portions of the film. It's just too bad those portions were not part of a decent movie. > Does anyone know if Bakshi has been doing anything else lately? > Outside of FRITZ THE CAT and WIZARDS, I don't think very much of his work; > in particular I abominate the repulsive LORD OF THE RINGS (part 1) > with the Amerind Strider and the roly-poly ents. I waited with a bunch > of friends four hours for the first showing at the Ziegfield in New > York, and can still feel disappointed and let down if I try.... I seem to recall reading that Bakshi has abandoned film, and gone over to painting or some other graphic art. As for LOTR, I liked it quite a bit, except for the hideous music. If you think Bakshi's LOTR was bad, try watching the Rankin/Bass Tolkien films (HOBBIT and RETURN OF THE KING) without gagging. Bakshi is a genius by comparison. "Roly-poly ents", indeed; Bakshi made them skinny! Your memory may be playing tricks on you. - From the Crow's Nest - Kenn Barry NASA-Ames Research Center Moffett Field, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USENET: {ihnp4,vortex,dual,hao,menlo70,hplabs}!ames!barry
leeper@ahutb.UUCP (m.r.leeper) (04/16/85)
I can't find the original of this response so I will follow up on Barry's response. I am not responding to him but the original submitter. (If you follow that, perhaps you can explain it to me.) >I saw the film WIZARDS again recently. Though admittedly it >has a number of flaws, this is perhaps my favorite >sf/fantasy movie, and it outdoes most of the mainstream >movies I can think of too. Anyone else have any comment >here? > I find that when I say I do like a film, I can often get three or four responses that agree. When I say I don't like a film and step back, the net seems to turn into Anzio. Well, once more sticking my head in the lion's mouth, I didn't like WIZARDS. Avatar was supposed to be for everything good like guzzling liquor, having semi-clad maidens around, cigars, etc. He was anti-technology. Except for perhaps the maidens he was against everything I am for and for everything I am against. And if he was against the evil use of technology for force, how does he explain how he finally kills his brother. Isn't that technology for power at its worse? This is another film that doesn't really have a very clear idea what it is trying to say. All it is saying is what the author likes automatically leads to a better world and what he doesn't like leads to chaos. There were also charges at the time the film came out that some of the characters (like Necron-90) were stolen from another artist's work. I don't remember clearly what the fuss was all about, but it shows how sincere the preaching of the film was. Mark Leeper ...ihnp4!ahutb!leeper