smdev@csustan.UUCP (Scott Hazen Mueller) (10/06/86)
In article <> hermann@calgary.UUCP (Michael Hermann) writes: > > P.S. I've heard that fuck had its origins in an abbreviation > used in the old British legal system. It stood for > something like "Fornication U... C... K...". I've > not however been able to find a reference to this > anywhere; if someone knows of some documentation on > this, please let me in on it. Thanx. I have (at home, of course) a page from one of my high-school notebooks detailing the derivation of "fuck". We actually spent a considerable portion of one day's linguistics class studying etymologies... In short, and from memory (will he drop it?), "fuck" is derived from the "root" Indo-European "language". The original derivations involve two root forms, "poik-os" and "peig-yos" (I think, no flames please). The meanings relate to plowing (as in agriculture) and evil. One of the related (more-or-less) modern-day words is "fey". Medieval forms in various Germanic tongues include "fokken" and "fucken" (I have no idea what the word is in modern German - I could never get my German teacher to admit what it was...) \scott If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. Flame me, and you'll learn the meaning of nuclear-powered urban renewal... -- Scott Hazen Mueller lll-crg.arpa!csustan!smdev City of Turlock work: (209) 668-5590 -or- 5628 901 South Walnut Avenue home: (209) 527-1203 Turlock, CA 95380 <Insert pithy saying here...>
brian@vaxwaller.UUCP (zippy the pinhead) (10/08/86)
In article <222@csustan.UUCP> (Scott Hazen Mueller) writes: > In article <> hermann@calgary.UUCP (Michael Hermann) writes: > > > > > P.S. I've heard that fuck had its origins in an abbreviation > > used in the old British legal system. It stood for > > something like "Fornication U... C... K...". I've > > not however been able to find a reference to this > > anywhere; if someone knows of some documentation on > > this, please let me in on it. Thanx. > > I have (at home, of course) a page from one of my high-school notebooks > detailing the derivation of "fuck". We actually spent a considerable portion > of one day's linguistics class studying etymologies... In short, and from > memory (will he drop it?), "fuck" is derived from the "root" Indo-European > "language". The original derivations involve two root forms, "poik-os" and > "peig-yos" (I think, no flames please). The meanings relate to plowing (as > in agriculture) and evil. One of the related (more-or-less) modern-day words > is "fey". Medieval forms in various Germanic tongues include "fokken" and > "fucken" (I have no idea what the word is in modern German - I could never > get my German teacher to admit what it was...) > > \scott > > If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. Flame me, and you'll learn the meaning > of nuclear-powered urban renewal... > > -- *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR FUCK *** I don't have any documentation either, but the derivation I was taught had to do with the institution by English royalty of the "Ladies in waiting". To get around the biblical condemnation of fornication in general, the British Throne in conjunction with the Pope rationalized that since the King was divinely selected, his judgements were divinely inspired. This would make any act of fornication acceptable when deemed so by the King, thus the phrase; Fornication Under Command of the King. This act allowed free fornication for members of Royalty (and for commoners if the King so deemed it ... but he rarely did) who were unwed. Off to verify these ramblings with fact, Zippy the fornicating Pinhead
heitkamp@bnrmtv.UUCP (Ross Heitkamp) (10/09/86)
In article <> hermann@calgary.UUCP (Michael Hermann) writes: > > P.S. I've heard that fuck had its origins in an abbreviation > used in the old British legal system. It stood for > something like "Fornication U... C... K...". I've > not however been able to find a reference to this > anywhere; if someone knows of some documentation on > this, please let me in on it. Thanx. I get my information second had from an unknown source, but the definition I have heard that makes the most sense is that FUCK was an acronym used by the British legal system for cases involving rape and other sexual affairs. The word comes from File Under Carnal Knowledge. Who knows the right answer, but I like this one best. Flames are unnecessary. Just thought... ...you'd like to know rsh ...
pete@valid.UUCP (Pete Zakel) (10/09/86)
> is "fey". Medieval forms in various Germanic tongues include "fokken" and > "fucken" (I have no idea what the word is in modern German - I could never > get my German teacher to admit what it was...) > The modern German is "fick" (noun) and "ficken" (verb). -- -Pete Zakel (..!{hplabs,?}!ridge!valid!pete) (member of HASA)
pete@valid.UUCP (Pete Zakel) (10/10/86)
> and other sexual affairs. The word comes from File Under Carnal > Knowledge. Who knows the right answer, but I like this one best. All the supposed acronyms stated are simply folk tales handed down from people who simply don't know. Since the OED (the reference I trust the most) does not seem to have an entry for "fuck", I looked it up in my trusty _Webster's_ _Ninth_New_Collegiate_Dictionary_ (a fine reference) and it says: "of Gmc origin, prob. fr. or akin to D 'fokken' to breed (cattle), fr. MD, push, thrust, copulate; akin to Sw dial. 'fock' penis" which translates to: The word 'fuck' is of Germanic origin, probably from or related to the Dutch word 'fokken', which means "to breed (cattle)", which comes from the Middle Dutch definition "to push, to thrust, to copulate" and is related to the Swedish dialectical word 'fock', which means "penis". Since there are many close variants of the word in other Germanic languages (note that English is a Germanic language), such as the German "fick" and "ficken", I tend to believe that this is the true etymology of the word. -- -Pete Zakel (..!{hplabs,?}!ridge!valid!pete) (member of HASA)
ams@briar.UUCP (Ali Shaik) (10/10/86)
Get this rational dicussion on language OUT of talk.bizarre! Someone bring back the Sane Man before it's too late! Ali Shaik ihnp4!philabs!ams