[talk.bizarre] newspeak, innovative use of a term long abused. - offensive to you? Maybe - it could be, it could not be. You pays your money and you takes your chances.

hermann@calgary.UUCP (Michael Hermann) (10/05/86)

	V'ir bsgra gubhtug gung vg'f fgenatr ubj rkcerffvbaf hfrq va rirelqnl
ynathntr jrer bapr pbafvqrerq "va cbbe gnfgr"; V oryvrir vg vf gvzr gb oevat n
cnegvphyne grez gung unf ybat orra qbjapnfg naq orengrq (ol gur vzcrevnyvfg
qbtzn bs gur ratyvfu-grnpure ertvzr ;-) ), vagb gur yvtug bs qnl. Vg vf ybat
cnfg gur gvzr jura guvf jbeq fubhyq unir orra tvira gur shyy ceviryrtrf bs
orvat n erpbtavmrq zrzore bs gur ratyvfu ynathntr (gung'f gur fghss gung 
jnf qrirybcrq va Oevgnva, ohg arire cebcreyl vzcyrzragrq va gur Fgngrf ;-)).
Bs pbhefr, lbh nyy xabj gur jbeq V ersre gb; V unir unq guvf cvrpr bs yvgrengher
ylvat nebhaq sbe n juvyr, naq V gubhtug vg qrzbafgengrf gur pnfr nccebcevngryl
rabhtu (fbeel, nhgube haxabja):


Grkg ortvaf...
   	Creuncf bar bs gur zbfg vagrerfgvat naq pbybheshy jbeqf va gur
   ratyvfu ynathntr vf gur jbeq "shpx". Vg vf gur bar zntvpny jbeq juvpu ol
   whfg vgf fbhaq pna qrfpevor cnva, cyrnfher, ungr naq ybir.
   
   	"Shpx" snyyf vagb znal tenzzngvpny pngrtbevrf. Vg pna or hfrq nf n
   ireo obgu genafvgvir (Wbua shpxrq Znel) naq vagenafvgvir (Znel jnf shpxrq ol
   Wbua). Vg pna or na npgvir ireo (Wbua ernyyl tvirf n shpx), be n cnffvir
   ireo (Znel ernyyl qbrfa'g tvir n shpx), be n abha (Znel vf n svar shpx).
   Vg pna or hfrq nf na nqwrpgvir (Znel vf shpxvat ornhgvshy). Vg fubhyq or
   boivbhf abj gung gurer ner abg znal jbeqf nf irefngvyr nf "shpx".
   
   	Orfvqrf vgf frkhny pbaabgngvba, guvf ybiryl jbeq pna or hfrq gb
   qrfpevor znal fvghngvbaf:
   
   	Senhq:           V tbg shpxrq ol zl vafhenapr ntrag.
   	Qvfznl:          Bu, shpx vg!
   	Ceboyrz:         V thrff V'z shpxrq abj.
   	Ntterffvba:      Shpx lbh.
   	Cnffvir:         Shpx zr.
   	Pbashfvba:       Jung gur shpx?
   	Qvssvphygl:      V pna'g haqrefgnaq guvf shpxvat ohfvarff.
   	Qrfcnve:         Shpxrq ntnva.
   	Cuvybfbcuvpny:   Jub tvirf n shpx?
   	Eryvtvbhf:       Ubyl Shpx.
   	Vapbzcrgrapr:    Ur'f nyy shpxrq hc.
   	Ynmvarff:        Ur whfg shpxf nobhg.
   	Qvfcyrnfher:     Jung gur shpx vf tbvat ba?
   	Eroryyvba:       Shpx bss!
   	Fhecevfr:        Shpxvat Vaperqvoyr!
   
   Vg pna or hfrq va qrfpevcgvir nangbzl 
   		- Ur'f n shpxvat nffubyr.
   Vg pna or hfrq gb gryy gvzr 
   		- Vg'f svir shpxvat guvegl.
   Vg pna or hfrq va ohfvarff 
   		- Ubj qvq V trg guvf shpxvat wbo?
   Vg pna or n cerqvpgvba 
   		- Bu, jvyy V trg shpxrq.
   Vg pna unir zngreany pbaabgngvbaf 
   		- nf va "Zbgure Shpxre".
   Vg pna or anhgvpny 
   		- Shpx gur Nqzveny.
   Vg pna or cbyvgvpny 
   		- Shpx Erntna.
   Vg pna bcra gur qbbe gb jbaqreshy eryngvbafuvcf 
   		- "yrg'f shpx".
   Vg pna or hfrq gb raunapr gur zrnavat bs n jbeq
   		- nf va Ornhgvshpxvatshy, Greshpxvatvsvp be Nofbshpxvatyhgryl.
   
   	Gur zvaq vf snveyl obttyrq ng gur znal znal perngvir hfrf. Ubj pbhyq
   nalbar or bssraqrq jura lbh fnl "shpx"? Hfr vg va lbhe qnvyl fcrrpu! Vg nqqf
   gb lbhe cerfgvtr.
   
   	Gbqnl gryy fbzrbar "Shpx Lbh".
   
         
Raq bs Genafzvffvba.


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						Zvxr Urezna

		..!vuac4!nyoregn!pnytnel!ureznaa

	Rinatryvfz (hasbeghangryl) Yvirf.


	C.F. V'ir urneq gung shpx unq vgf bevtvaf va na nooerivngvba
	     hfrq va gur byq Oevgvfu yrtny flfgrz. Vg fgbbq sbe
	     fbzrguvat yvxr "Sbeavpngvba H... P... X...". V'ir
	     abg ubjrire orra noyr gb svaq n ersrerapr gb guvf 
	     naljurer; vs fbzrbar xabjf bs fbzr qbphzragngvba ba
	     guvf, cyrnfr yrg zr va ba vg. Gunak.

kaufman@nike.uucp (Bill Kaufman) (10/06/86)

In article <425@vaxb.calgary.UUCP> hermann@calgary.UUCP (Michael Hermann) writes:
>	C.F. V'ir urneq gung shpx unq vgf bevtvaf va na nooerivngvba
>	     hfrq va gur byq Oevgvfu yrtny flfgrz. Vg fgbbq sbe
>	     fbzrguvat yvxr "Sbeavpngvba H... P... X...". V'ir
>	     abg ubjrire orra noyr gb svaq n ersrerapr gb guvf 
>	     naljurer; vs fbzrbar xabjf bs fbzr qbphzragngvba ba
>	     guvf, cyrnfr yrg zr va ba vg. Gunak.

Gur cuenfr jnf "Sbeavpngvba Haqre gur Pbafrag bs gur Xvat," ohg, gung'f
abg vg.  Gur jbeq pbzrf sebz gur Trezna, "sevpxra," juvpu (yvgrenyyl)
zrnaf, "gb eho," ohg unf orra hfrq sbe gur fnzr guvat.

Naq, abj, ab wbxr.

					-Annoyingly,
					 Bilbo.
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fox@bnrmtv.UUCP (Richard Fox) (10/07/86)

> 
> 	V'ir bsgra gubhtug gung vg'f fgenatr ubj rkcerffvbaf hfrq va rirelqnl
> ynathntr jrer bapr pbafvqrerq "va cbbe gnfgr"; V oryvrir vg vf gvzr gb oevat n
> cnegvphyne grez gung unf ybat orra qbjapnfg naq orengrq (ol gur vzcrevnyvfg
> qbtzn bs gur ratyvfu-grnpure ertvzr ;-) ), vagb gur yvtug bs qnl. Vg vf ybat
> cnfg gur gvzr jura guvf jbeq fubhyq unir orra tvira gur shyy ceviryrtrf bs
> orvat n erpbtavmrq zrzore bs gur ratyvfu ynathntr (gung'f gur fghss gung 
> jnf qrirybcrq va Oevgnva, ohg arire cebcreyl vzcyrzragrq va gur Fgngrf ;-)).
> Bs pbhefr, lbh nyy xabj gur jbeq V ersre gb; V unir unq guvf cvrpr bs yvgrengher
> ylvat nebhaq sbe n juvyr, naq V gubhtug vg qrzbafgengrf gur pnfr nccebcevngryl
> rabhtu (fbeel, nhgube haxabja):
> 
> 
> Grkg ortvaf...
>    	Creuncf bar bs gur zbfg vagrerfgvat naq pbybheshy jbeqf va gur
>    ratyvfu ynathntr vf gur jbeq "shpx". Vg vf gur bar zntvpny jbeq juvpu ol
>    whfg vgf fbhaq pna qrfpevor cnva, cyrnfher, ungr naq ybir.
>    
>    	"Shpx" snyyf vagb znal tenzzngvpny pngrtbevrf. Vg pna or hfrq nf n
>    ireo obgu genafvgvir (Wbua shpxrq Znel) naq vagenafvgvir (Znel jnf shpxrq ol
>    Wbua). Vg pna or na npgvir ireo (Wbua ernyyl tvirf n shpx), be n cnffvir
>    ireo (Znel ernyyl qbrfa'g tvir n shpx), be n abha (Znel vf n svar shpx).
>    Vg pna or hfrq nf na nqwrpgvir (Znel vf shpxvat ornhgvshy). Vg fubhyq or
>    boivbhf abj gung gurer ner abg znal jbeqf nf irefngvyr nf "shpx".
>    
>    	Orfvqrf vgf frkhny pbaabgngvba, guvf ybiryl jbeq pna or hfrq gb
>    qrfpevor znal fvghngvbaf:
>    
>    	Senhq:           V tbg shpxrq ol zl vafhenapr ntrag.
>    	Qvfznl:          Bu, shpx vg!
>    	Ceboyrz:         V thrff V'z shpxrq abj.
>    	Ntterffvba:      Shpx lbh.
>    	Cnffvir:         Shpx zr.
>    	Pbashfvba:       Jung gur shpx?
>    	Qvssvphygl:      V pna'g haqrefgnaq guvf shpxvat ohfvarff.
>    	Qrfcnve:         Shpxrq ntnva.
>    	Cuvybfbcuvpny:   Jub tvirf n shpx?
>    	Eryvtvbhf:       Ubyl Shpx.
>    	Vapbzcrgrapr:    Ur'f nyy shpxrq hc.
>    	Ynmvarff:        Ur whfg shpxf nobhg.
>    	Qvfcyrnfher:     Jung gur shpx vf tbvat ba?
>    	Eroryyvba:       Shpx bss!
>    	Fhecevfr:        Shpxvat Vaperqvoyr!
>    
>    Vg pna or hfrq va qrfpevcgvir nangbzl 
>    		- Ur'f n shpxvat nffubyr.
>    Vg pna or hfrq gb gryy gvzr 
>    		- Vg'f svir shpxvat guvegl.
>    Vg pna or hfrq va ohfvarff 
>    		- Ubj qvq V trg guvf shpxvat wbo?
>    Vg pna or n cerqvpgvba 
>    		- Bu, jvyy V trg shpxrq.
>    Vg pna unir zngreany pbaabgngvbaf 
>    		- nf va "Zbgure Shpxre".
>    Vg pna or anhgvpny 
>    		- Shpx gur Nqzveny.
>    Vg pna or cbyvgvpny 
>    		- Shpx Erntna.
>    Vg pna bcra gur qbbe gb jbaqreshy eryngvbafuvcf 
>    		- "yrg'f shpx".
>    Vg pna or hfrq gb raunapr gur zrnavat bs n jbeq
>    		- nf va Ornhgvshpxvatshy, Greshpxvatvsvp be Nofbshpxvatyhgryl.
>    
>    	Gur zvaq vf snveyl obttyrq ng gur znal znal perngvir hfrf. Ubj pbhyq
>    nalbar or bssraqrq jura lbh fnl "shpx"? Hfr vg va lbhe qnvyl fcrrpu! Vg nqqf
>    gb lbhe cerfgvtr.
>    
>    	Gbqnl gryy fbzrbar "Shpx Lbh".
>    
>          
> Raq bs Genafzvffvba.
> 
> 
> 							   2
> 						Zvxr Urezna
> 
> 		..!vuac4!nyoregn!pnytnel!ureznaa
> 
> 	Rinatryvfz (hasbeghangryl) Yvirf.
> 
> 

It should also be noted that this magical word is a way to greet your friends
and this word is also used to rename the cities of this country.

As the lean singer from Twisted Sister used to say ( probably still does):

How the f*ck are you? Its nice to be back in San Di f*cking ego........

holloway@unc.UUCP (Richard Holloway) (10/11/86)

would eat...


NOTE: not rot13!

so to quote a phrase (and a bruce cockburn (honest, that's his name) song):
	"you pay your money and you take your chance (when you're
	dealing with love and romance)"

feeble wimps or disinterested parties should hit the 'n' key now.


i heard of a derivation of the word "FUCK" ( a fine word, that; for reasons
chronicled in the previous article ) from a non-unimpeachable but trustable
source, who said that it came from either England or Puritan America and 
stood for the then-crime:

	For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

I'm serious about this, so for God's sake, let's not start a bunch of
stupid run-on puns and clever guesses (unless you feel you HAVE to).


now, for the net.jokes people (others hit 'n'), a joke:



q: what do you call a girl who can suck a bowling ball through a garden hose?



a:	honey.


rich holloway
holloway@unc

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	i feel sorry for people who drink because when they get up in the morning,
		that's as good as they're going to feel all day...

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rab@well.UUCP (Bob Bickford) (10/13/86)

WHAT line ea

  The referenced article reproduces (!?) a dialogue about a certain
English slang word that needn't be repeated here, and says that the
author is unknown.  Since I heard this dialogue almost verbatim in
1977 or '78 in Stockton, CA, I think I can confidently say that the
author was George Carlin.  Oh, by the way, there was much more of the
same, all of it excellent and perceptive and incisive as Mr. Carlin
always was in his earlier days....

-- 
Robert Bickford     {lll-crg,hplabs}!well!rab

thompson@dalcs.UUCP (Michael A. Thompson) (10/14/86)

Va negvpyr <650@avxr.HHPC> xnhszna@bevba.HHPC (Ovyy Xnhszna) jevgrf:
>Va negvpyr <425@inko.pnytnel.HHPC> ureznaa@pnytnel.HHPC (Zvpunry Ureznaa) jevgrf:
>>	C.F. V'ir urneq gung shpx unq vgf bevtvaf va na nooerivngvba
>>	     hfrq va gur byq Oevgvfu yrtny flfgrz. Vg fgbbq sbe
>>	     fbzrguvat yvxr "Sbeavpngvba H... P... X...". V'ir
>>	     abg ubjrire orra noyr gb svaq n ersrerapr gb guvf 
>>	     naljurer; vs fbzrbar xabjf bs fbzr qbphzragngvba ba
>>	     guvf, cyrnfr yrg zr va ba vg. Gunak.
>
>Gur cuenfr jnf "Sbeavpngvba Haqre gur Pbafrag bs gur Xvat," ohg, gung'f
>abg vg.  Gur jbeq pbzrf sebz gur Trezna, "sevpxra," juvpu (yvgrenyyl)
>zrnaf, "gb eho," ohg unf orra hfrq sbe gur fnzr guvat.

	Zl Nzrevpna Urevgntr Qvpgvbanel, yvfgf gur bevtva bs gur jbeq
    gb or sebz na byq Trezna jbeq (V qba'g erzrzore jung jbeq va
    cnegvphyne zl NUQ vf ng ubzr) gung zrnaf gb cybj be gb fbj frrq, V
    nyjnlf sbhaq guvf engure shaal:

	N: Jurer'f Wbr.
	O: Bu ur'f bhg shpxvat va gur tneqra.(Cynagvat, trrm fbzr
    crbcyr)
	be
	O: Bu ur'f bhg shpxvat gur onpx 40.(Cybjvat)

	V unir nyfb purpx zl BRQ naq sbhaq gur jbeq shx nyfb
    nccneragyl fcryg shpx juvpu vf n Zvqqyr Ratyvfu jbeq sbe gur
    sberfnyr ba n obng.

	Nabgure vagrerfgvat jbeq vf gur jbeq wnmm, juvpu bevtvanyyl unq
    gur ebhtuyl gur fnzr zrnavat nf gur jbeq shpx qbrf abj. Nccneragyl
    "wnmm" jnf cynlrq va gur oebguryf bs gur fbhgurea fgngrf fb gur
    zhfvpvnaf pnzr gb or pnyyrq wnmm zhfvpvnaf (er jung gurve zhfvp jnf
    nppbzcnalvat) naq fb wnmm zhfvp, nf sne nf V xabj gur grez wnmm vf
    ab ybatre hfrq gb ersre gb gur npg bs frk. (tvirf n jubyr arj
    zrnavat gb gur vqrn bs n wnmm srfgviny qbrfa'g vg)
-- 

			     Michael Thompson
CDN:			   thompson@cs.dal.ean
UUCP:	     ...{utcsri,garfield,dartvax}!thompson@dalcs.uucp