DOW@MAINE.BITNET (Michael R. Dow) (12/06/87)
I'm really starting to get pissed at the way the saturday morning cartoon 'editors' (read: Butchers) are hacking TO DEATH my favorite childhood cartoon, Bugs Bunny. AAAARRRRGFGGGHHHH!!!! THIS IS NIGH ON TO CENSORSHIP!!!! What about us adults who still like to watch the last remaining bastions of good cartooning? HUH?! WE *LIKE* Bugs with violence! Michael Dow Systems Group, UM
headroom@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Mark Lippert) (12/07/87)
In article <125DOW@MAINE> DOW@MAINE.BITNET (Michael R. Dow) writes: >I'm really starting to get pissed at the way the saturday morning >cartoon 'editors' (read: Butchers) are hacking TO DEATH my favorite >childhood cartoon, Bugs Bunny. AAAARRRRGFGGGHHHH!!!! THIS IS >NIGH ON TO CENSORSHIP!!!! What about us adults who still like to >watch the last remaining bastions of good cartooning? HUH?! WE >*LIKE* Bugs with violence! > >Michael Dow >Systems Group, UM > Hear, hear! "It's really *duck* season....<BLAM>" OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O FROM THE REALM OF THE DOUGHNUT DUKE O O (alias M-M-Max, the Krazy Klingon.) O O O O headroom@csd4.milw.wisc.edu O O O O "Time to make the doughnuts." O OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
kyl@homxb.UUCP (K.LIN) (12/07/87)
In article <125DOW@MAINE>, DOW@MAINE.BITNET (Michael R. Dow) writes: > I'm really starting to get pissed at the way the saturday morning > cartoon 'editors' (read: Butchers) are hacking TO DEATH my favorite > childhood cartoon, Bugs Bunny. AAAARRRRGFGGGHHHH!!!! THIS IS > NIGH ON TO CENSORSHIP!!!! What about us adults who still like to > watch the last remaining bastions of good cartooning? HUH?! WE > *LIKE* Bugs with violence! > > Michael Dow > Systems Group, UM Ya, and you can't even find any road runner cartoons anymore. Where will this end? Cindy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Cindy Parker AT&T Bell Laboratories HO 4B-334 !!! !!! ihnp4!hotlf!cap (do not email to the account I post from) !!! !!! work: (201) 949-8293 home: (201) 721-6257 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spike@bu-cs.UUCP (12/08/87)
In article <3804@uwmcsd1.UUCP> headroom@csd4.milw.wisc.edu.UUCP (Mark Lippert) writes: >Hear, hear! > >"It's really *duck* season....<BLAM>" "Wabbit season" "Duck season" "Wabbit season" "Duck season" "Wabbit season" "Duck season" "Wabbit season" "Wabbit season" "Duck season SHOOT! <BLAM>"-- ->Spike
bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) (12/17/87)
>I'm really starting to get pissed at the way the saturday morning >cartoon 'editors' (read: Butchers) are hacking TO DEATH my favorite >childhood cartoon, Bugs Bunny. AAAARRRRGFGGGHHHH!!!! THIS IS >NIGH ON TO CENSORSHIP!!!! What about us adults who still like to >watch the last remaining bastions of good cartooning? HUH?! WE >*LIKE* Bugs with violence! > >Michael Dow At Cornell I had a professor who was on the President's Commission on Child's Violence on Television (or something like that, under the Kennedy administration.) He claimed that the commission never recommended that violence be removed or censored from children's television programming, at least not for any reasons they were concerned with (that is, there's no accounting for taste, but they were commissioned to deal with deleterious effects.) According to him (and I hope I am remembering this fairly) the recommendation was only against violence of unrealistic outcome, violence without consequence thus promoting fantastical views of violence and its results. For example, they felt that heros who are obviously fatally shot but heroically manage to defy their murderers or whatever is probably an unrealistic image, another example was your typical barroom brawl where it always seems no one is ever much injured (if you've ever been in a fight of the violence typically shown in a Western, bottles breaking, chairs smashed, you'd know that half those people would require emergency medical attention.) Unfortunately the media people found the prospect of realistic violence for children's programming untenable, from a marketing perspective (see, real violence grosses people out, as it should) so they declared that the president's commission had "outlawed" violence in children's programming. Of course, they were outraged at the interpretation, it was an obvious cheap attempt to discredit the findings of the committee. Anyhow, I found it interesting...they may not have approved of your Bugs Bunny cartoons anyhow, I doubt Bugs pukes and shits and screams and cries for his life as a steam roller does him in. Eh, no sense of humor. -Barry Shein, Boston University
dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) (12/31/87)
> In article <125DOW@MAINE>, DOW@MAINE.BITNET (Michael R. Dow) writes: > > I'm really starting to get pissed at the way the saturday morning > > cartoon 'editors' (read: Butchers) are hacking TO DEATH my favorite > > childhood cartoon, Bugs Bunny. AAAARRRRGFGGGHHHH!!!! THIS IS I agree. But does anyone know what in the hell that the censors cut out of that classic, "Merry Xmas, Charlie Brown." It seems that there are a lot of discontinuities in there where scenes were ripped out. HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" How 'bout those toy stores. AAAUUUUGGGHHHHH. Try watching your local stations' cartoon programs. Generally, the classics are uncut (recently, I saw some WWII anti-Axis Bugs being presented as entertainment to the kids...) David Anthony DataSpan, Inc
roger@celtics.UUCP (Roger B.A. Klorese) (01/05/88)
In article <872@unccvax.UUCP> dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) writes: > >HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" "Turtles", actually, not "Babies". And it was a comic book first (and many feel it a fine one), not a toy. The toy set is a spinoff of the comic, like the cartoons are. (I suppose that since "Peanuts" begat Snoopy dolls as well as the Charlie Brown specials, the shows are program-length commercials?) I object to program-length commercials a lot. But try not to see them where they're not. -- ///==\\ (Your message here...) /// Roger B.A. Klorese, CELERITY (Northeast Area) \\\ 40 Speen St., Framingham, MA 01701 +1 617 872-1552 \\\==// celtics!roger@necntc.nec.com - necntc!celtics!roger
timelord@aurora.UUCP (G. "Murdock" Helms) (01/06/88)
In article <1917@celtics.UUCP>, roger@celtics.UUCP (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: > In article <872@unccvax.UUCP> dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) writes: > > > >HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" > > "Turtles", actually, not "Babies". And it was a comic book first Not a bad comic book, either. Which begat the role-playing game, which begat the lead figures (which are actually pretty good, if somewhat on the small side), which begat Pre-Pubescent Radioactive Black-Belt Hamsters (I kid you not, folks, check your underground comic store for that one), which begat all sorts of other nonsense, and on it goes... Murdock DISCLAIMER: The opinions stated above are solely the property of the author (me) and reflect ONLY the stupidity, etc. of the author (me. Hey, wait a minute...!). "I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid, and I'm not going." -Kerr Avon Another Member of the Society to Reduce Wesley into a Little Styrofoam Dodecahedron.
tracer@stb.UUCP (Jeff Boeing) (01/12/88)
In article <1487@aurora.UUCP> timelord@aurora.UUCP (G. "Murdock" Helms) writes: >In article <1917@celtics.UUCP>, roger@celtics.UUCP (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >> In article <872@unccvax.UUCP> dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) writes: >> > >> >HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" >> >> "Turtles", actually, not "Babies". And it was a comic book first > >Not a bad comic book, either. Which begat the role-playing game, which >begat the lead figures (which are actually pretty good, if somewhat on >the small side), which begat Pre-Pubescent Radioactive Black-Belt Hamsters >(I kid you not, folks, check your underground comic store for that one), >which begat all sorts of other nonsense, and on it goes... Actually, the hamsters were Adolescent, not Pre-Pubescent. ...Which, in turn, begat (and I'm not kidding either) ... Naive Interdimensional Commando Koalas!
timelord@aurora.UUCP (the Mad Piper) (01/13/88)
From article <10037@stb.UUCP>, by tracer@stb.UUCP (Jeff Boeing): > Actually, the hamsters were Adolescent, not Pre-Pubescent. Sorry, my apologies. I wasn't paying that much attention at the time. > ...Which, in turn, begat (and I'm not kidding either) ... > Naive Interdimensional Commando Koalas! Oooh! Really? Where can I find them? Haven't seen THOSE in Berzerkeley yet. If you aren't much into comics except for REALLY GOOD ones, do check out the large Volume One edition of "Mage", published by Comico, I think it was. Some wonderful artwork, and a truly unusual storyline here (a magic bat? Say what?). Volume Two should be coming out soon (Mage was originally released in standard Comico-comic-book-format (read: better quality paper and binding than Big Name comic co.s) and has been re-released at the end of its series in a Volume-type-format due to popular demand). Also check out "The Adventures of Samurai Cat" and "More Adventures of Samurai Cat", which is wonderfully tongue-in-cheek and pokes fun at lots and lots of things and includes some rather nice artwork of Miaowara Tomokato, Samurai Cat. Available at most Waldenbooks, and if it isn't, screech and wail and foam at the mouth and I'm reasonably certain they'll order it for you just to keep you from biting them on the leg and giving them rabies. Arf! Arf! Woof! The Mad Piper (whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnne....)
nj@ndmath.UUCP (nj @ a loss) (01/15/88)
For the definitive list of all future "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" parodies, read "Gnatrat: The Dark Gnat Returns," available from Prelude Comics or some other such agency. nj "But, Uncle Ben, what is 'the Force'?" "The Force is a Force and a Force, of course..."
erict@flatline.UUCP (eric townsend) (01/18/88)
In article <1917@celtics.UUCP>, roger@celtics.UUCP (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: > In article <872@unccvax.UUCP> dya@unccvax.UUCP (Edison Carter) writes: > > > >HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" > > "Turtles", actually, not "Babies". And it was a comic book first (and > many feel it a fine one), not a toy. The toy set is a spinoff of the > comic, like the cartoons are. (I suppose that since "Peanuts" begat > Snoopy dolls as well as the Charlie Brown specials, the shows are > program-length commercials?) I checked the credits on two or three of the afternoon/sat. morn shows. It appears to me that the 'program lenght commercials' are usually made overseas (in Japan and China) rather than in America. Recently there was a news special (on PBS, I think) about animators in Japan and China. They are currently in the stage that the Disney studios were in the 30s-50s: A few mavericks with great ideas backed by hundreds of high school/college students working for the equivalent of slave labor. Combine that with their using the Asian version of Pixar equipment... It seems to me that they've realised a huge potential for high profits in aiding the marketing of American products targeted at children. On the other hand, on of the major studios in China is about to produce the first full-length, all Chinese writen/produced/etc feature film. It's based on an old Chinese childrens tale, and from the clips they showed on the special, it's going to be one hell of a film. Their goal for this movie: To produce a film better than Fantasia. -- J. Eric Townsend ->uunet!nuchat!flatline!erict smail:511Parker#2,Hstn,Tx,77007 Just another journalist with too much computing power.| 'Hey, watch me ollie 'Girls play with toys. Real women skate.' --Powell Peralta ad.| this <whump>'
steve@crcmar.crc.uucp (Steve Ardron) (01/20/88)
Somebody was saying: > > >HOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAM LENGTH COMMERCIALS. "Teenage Mutant Ninja Babies?" > > > > "Turtles", actually, not "Babies". And it was a comic book first > > Not a bad comic book, either. Which begat the role-playing game, which > begat the lead figures (which are actually pretty good, if somewhat on > the small side), which begat Pre-Pubescent Radioactive Black-Belt Hamsters > (I kid you not, folks, check your underground comic store for that one), > which begat all sorts of other nonsense, and on it goes... Don't forget Pre-Teen Dirty-Gene Kung-Fu Kangeroos - I don't usually read any comics, but I saw that title in a book-store once. (I may have screwed the spelling). It's getting kind of ridiculous, I hope they are actually worth looking at, personally I didn't bother. I can't see what's wrong with these feature length commercials that a big nuke wouldn't fix, though there are many more pressing problems. Does it matter if the toy begets show or if show begets toy? Theres a fine line there. Stevie.
lev0@sphinx.uchicago.edu (Brandoch Daha) (01/25/88)
In article <592@crcmar.crc.uucp> steve@crcmar.crc.uucp (Steve Ardron) writes: > Pre-Pubescent Radioactive Black-Belt Hamsters > Pre-Teen Dirty-Gene Kung-Fu Kangeroos - I don't usually read any Beardless Breeder-reactor Boxing Bobcats? Immature Irradiated Internecine Inchworms? Geriatric Jujitsu Gerbils? Miami Mice? How about Bruce Lee, reincarnated as Samurai Penguin? Or Zatoichi Walrus? Or even the Tender Tai Chi Tapirs? ( Yet again, I must plead to St. Theresa, Show me how you do that trick, the one that makes me scream, she said because I don't have any screaming tricks. I will give you two gaspers and a faint in trade.)