mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) (09/22/86)
According to today's Boston Globe: "Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God contained in the Holy scriptures.' If this law is indeed still in effect, then I encourage one and all to openly violate this unconstitutional and unenforceable law until Christians are embarassed enough to have it repealed. -- "To save the world requires faith and courage: faith in reason, and courage to proclaim what reason shows to be true." Bertrand Russell in "The Prospects of Industrial Civilization". -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh
pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) (09/23/86)
In article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >According to today's Boston Globe: > >"Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine >of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name >of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, >government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God >contained in the Holy scriptures.' > >If this law is indeed still in effect, then I encourage one and all to >openly violate this unconstitutional and unenforceable law until Christians >are embarassed enough to have it repealed. Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each other around. The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the property used in the commission of the crime will be added. Of course, Mike won't have to worry since his car will have been already fire bombed, and his organs will have been donated to his favorite charity -- 4H transplants -- Savapig INC. :-) This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. Wait a few decades Mike, you've got time. +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+
barry@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Mikki Barry) (09/24/86)
In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >In article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >>According to today's Boston Globe: >>"Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine >>of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name >>of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, >>government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously >>reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously >>reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God >>contained in the Holy scriptures.' >Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are >not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a >vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is >that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive >things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will >fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each >other around. Gee, you have just reproached one of god's creations! Pay your $300 fine to HASA, c/o Mikki Barry@mit-eddie. Thank you. Or would you prefer the 1 year in prison? >This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping >dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. But are you referring to the christians as wolves if the non christians "yap" (i.e. disturb the status quo? I just thought they were sheep in wolves clothing. :-? EEK! Run for the asbestos! Mikki Barry HASA (S for "sheep" division) ----------------------------------------- "Trouble is, sheep are very dim, and once they get an idear into their 'eads, there's no shiftin' it"
sxnahm@ubvax.UUCP (Stephen Nahm) (09/24/86)
Expires: Sender: Distribution: Keywords: In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: > >Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are >not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a >vast array in this country. In your response, you chose to ignore the point of Mr. Huybensz's posting: the U.S. Consitution states that the government shall not establish a religion. A law which gives legal protection to a religion has the effect of establishing it as "authorized". >The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other >forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the >property used in the commission of the crime will be added. What do you suggest be done when two cultures are fundamentally opposed? Cult A asserts that all non-A cultists are Heathen and must be converted or destroyed. Cult B states that, in particular, Clut A members are Evil and must be destroyed and then converted. Are you suggesting that a law be passed that protects the right of both cults to destroy each other? The law in question forbade even the suggestion that there is not a God (and within the context of a particular God, the Christian God). Shouldn't those culture which disagree with the idea of the particular Christian God and those which hold that no God exists also be protected? Better to take the course the Founding Fathers took: support no particular cult and let the market place of ideas prevail. -- Steve Nahm UUCP route: {amd|cae780}!ubvax!sxnahm sxnahm@ubvax.UUCP Internet address: amd!ubvax!sxnahm@decwrl.DEC.COM
mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) (09/25/86)
Why Paul, I had no idea you were Ken Arndt's twin brother! In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: > Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are > not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a > vast array in this country. The bad side to Mike's suggestion is > that it gets others sidetracked from more important and productive > things, and what's even worse is that JDL and the HOLY JIHAD will > fire bomb Mike's car and stone him to death instead of chasing each > other around. You're next, with your satanic company name. But that's easy for you to say when you're sitting snug in your bedroom 600 miles away from Massachusetts, where the action is. You're probably trying to persuade Congress to provide grants to the states for enforcement of these laws. I can spot a right-wing fundamentaloid lobbyist a thousand miles away! > The good side is that then the law will be expanded to include other > forms, cults and cultures, and provisions for state taking over the > property used in the commission of the crime will be added. Of > course, Mike won't have to worry since his car will have been already > fire bombed, and his organs will have been donated to his favorite > charity -- 4H transplants -- Savapig INC. :-) Now I understand why your last name is different from your twin bother Ken's. Your mother could only fit one of you in her pouch, so she put you out for adoption. :-) > This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping > dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. > > Wait a few decades Mike, you've got time. If I get the sleeping dog's leashed, then I won't have to tiptoe. Massachusetts is essentially violating the Constitutional leash law for religions. Why wait? Public humiliation will do far more to solve the problem than tolerance of unconstitutional law will. -- A tongue in cheek prevents foot in mouth. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh
pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) (09/27/86)
In article <1162@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >Why Paul, I had no idea you were Ken Arndt's twin brother! >You're next, with your satanic company name. But that's easy for you to >say when you're sitting snug in your bedroom 600 miles away from >Massachusetts, where the action is. You're probably trying to persuade >Congress to provide grants to the states for enforcement of these laws. >Now I understand why your last name is different from your twin bother >Ken's. Your mother could only fit one of you in her pouch, so she put >Massachusetts is essentially violating the Constitutional leash law for >religions. Mass of two what? :-) Seriously, Mike, sweetie, what's all this "ad hominum" comment? >If I get the sleeping dog's leashed, then I won't have to tiptoe. I still think you're attacking tumbleweeds, but who knows maybe society is better off homogenized. Increase society's entropy anybody? >{prometheus and satan} [inference -- Carnal knowledge] Ahhh, Michael, do you read the Bible with only current day word meanings in mind. The knowledge imparted by prometheus (I) was technology of fire, navigation, ship building, etc. now taught at MIT. I think you've got that kind of knowledge mixed up with the carnal stuff that satan is reputed to foster. Boston has both but you'll have to leave MIT and go to the "Combat Zone", or whatever they call it there, to find satan's realm. But I always say 'better CONfusion than ANTIfusion'. +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+
sc@frog.UUCP (STella Calvert) (10/03/86)
In article <259@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping >dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. Paul, those of us who have the good fortune NOT to be members of that conglomerate of wolves in sheeps' clothing have had them at our throats for two millenia. So what _else_ is new? Is the wolfpack going to stop trying to force their ideas down the throats of unbelievers? Show me! By their fruits ye shall know them.... STella Calvert Love is the law, love under will! Guest Account: {cybvax0!decvax}!frog!sc HASA Affiliation: S Division
daveb@pogo.UUCP (10/11/86)
I've held off sending this reply for over a week, and toned it down a couple of times, but after rereading it one more time, I still feel strongly about sending it. In article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP> mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: >According to today's Boston Globe: > >"Chapter 272, Section 36, of the Massachusetts General Laws sets a fine >of $300 or 1 year in prison for 'whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name >of god by denying, cursing, or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, >government, or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously >reproaching or exposing to contempt or ridicule the holy word of God >contained in the Holy scriptures.' > >If this law is indeed still in effect, then I encourage one and all to >openly violate this unconstitutional and unenforceable law until Christians >are embarrassed enough to have it repealed. Ie: everyone who is non-Christian, should openly state that they don't believe in the Christian god (that's sufficient to break the law). And then Paul M Koloc answers back in article <1157@cybvax0.UUCP>: [To be brief I'll summerize the article] Yammer, Yammer, Threat, Yammer, Yammer, Threat! I think the most representative 2 statements Paul made were: > Well, I'm not for the death penalty but I think that such fines are > not out of order for protecting the values of ethnic cultures of a > vast array in this country. and > This has been all in good fun but there is a point: "Let sleeping > dogs lie". Yap now and you'll have a pack of wolves at your throat. > Wait a few decades Mike, you've got time. or to paraphrase: I and a lot of other people like the law and the intent of the law Mike. We may not be able to stop the atheist and "others" from living around us, but at least we can punish them for vocally denying the existence of our God, and I like the idea that we can have someone arrested for saying "No, I don't believe in GOD". So keep your mouth shut Mike, or I and a bunch of friends will be all over you like white on rice. Put off your satan spawned plans for a few more decades Mike, after all, whats 30 or 40 more years without freedom of speech when compared to the greater glory of God. Remember, we'll be keeping an eye on you. Well Paul, I guess that I'm a little sensitive when someone starts using veiled threats and I react badly to them. I don't know how things are back east, but out on the west coast we get a little paranoid when someone starts making threats. Right now there are several groups on the west coast (and especially in the Northwest) that have been making and fulfilling threats. Most of these people *claim* to be "Christian". There's the "Identity" Christian group that just set four bombs in Coure de Lane,(sp?) Idaho. There's the people that have been sending bombs to Portland, Ore. abortion clinics. There's the "Identity" Christian (Nazi) group in Orriville, Ca., that executed a highschool boy, because he knew too much and didn't want to join. There's the La Rouch candidates that ran in the Oregon primaries (they all lost). In the voters pamphlet only one mentioned La Rouch, but they all claimed to be good fundamentalists and that they only wanted to put Gays in isolation for their own good. There are the people that block, grab and swear at the women that go to the abortion clinics. Are these people really Christian? No, at least not according to my Christian friends, and I'm inclined to agree with them. But these people do *claim* to be Christian and they do make threats on other peoples lives and lifestyles, and then try to fulfill those threats. So Paul, when you make threats, I have to decide whether to think of you as just a Christian who has to blow off steam, or as one of those intolerant crazies that just call themselves a Christian, and has no qualms about enforcing their craziness. If there were a lot of invisible :-)'s in your article and I missed them, then I sorry about coming down so hard. If you were serious, then please stay on the east coast, we don't need more like you (and good luck to you Mike Huybensz, with guys like that around, you're going to need it). Feeling Better For Having Written, Dave Butler Remember: Silly is a state of Mind, Stupid is a way of Life.