waynec@tekcrl.UUCP (Wayne Cook) (09/19/86)
> or that something is "logical". > Ultimately, the Christian arguement is based upon Faith. > However, all Laws of the Universe work independently of Faith. > That means, if one has to have faith for it to work then it is not > based upon the Laws of the Universe. I submit most religions, including > christianity are not based upon the Laws of the Universe and are therefore In case you are interested, all Faith is is a believe in something without "pure knowledge." For example, when you get on a plane do you know that it is going to land safely at your destination? If you do not, then do you have "faith" that it will? When certain "great" experiments of science were performed, did the experimenters know what the results would be? Or did they have "faith" that they would find the truth. We all try to gain as much knowledge as we can, the Bible does encourage us to gain knowledge. But we all need faith in order to make it through each day.
pez@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU (Paul Zimmerman) (10/13/86)
In article <1284@trwrb.UUCP>, gibson@trwrb.UUCP (Gregory S. Gibson) writes: > I think it is ironic that the evil god people have the same God concept > that the good god people have. i.e. One god, human like qualities, > all powerful, mysterious, etc. I don't see it as irony. I see it as a sign that, despite all the handwaving and roundabout assertions made by those who believe in God as good, we ARE talking about the same God. I also see it as an indication that those who hold the ``good God'' premise wind up showing themselves to be confused and misled about the nature of God. They must go through contortions in order to forcefit the premise that God is good into the reasoning (based on the evidence, including the Bible itself), reasoning that consistently leads to no other conclusion than God being evil. Unless, of course, these examples of special pleading and circular reasoning are injected. --- Be well, Paul Zimmerman (pez@mit-eddie.UUCP, pez@unirot.UUCP)