[talk.religion.misc] RE : EVOLUTION : A THEORY IN CRISIS.

richardb@fear+loathing.UUCP (Richard Brosseau) (10/25/89)

Hello net world.

It has come to my attetion that some people have been complaining
about my comments of the book _Evolution:A Theory iIn Crisis_ by
Michael Denton. I has said that I didn't read the book yet but it
was probably bullshit anyway. Then someone bitch on how the Evidence
should be carefully weighed before making such a judgment. (I
think this was a creationist fellow.

Well, that pissed me off. So here are some explaination and part of
a BOOK REPORT.

Part A: No, I had not read the book when I made those statements.
But those statements were not made offhand either. I've read numerous
references to this book by Gould and others, and I was sort of
taking these into consideration when those statments were made.

Part B: I am now reading that book. I've gotten up to page 90
(chapter 4) and  I've put together a partial report on my readings
and impressions.

General comment2:
A few come to mind.

1. When I started to read this book, I kept
thinking that I could have made a mistake shooting my mouth off
on the net. The start actualy seemed sincere and (semi) scientific.

2. As I read through, I kept comming across references to "wild chance"
and "total randomness" comments on natural selection. I started
keeping a list of these comment. In the first 90 pages there are
references to randomness in the preface i1, pages 43,53,60,61,66 and
a few other places I havn't kept track of. It was iteresting to note
that with each successive reference to randomness, the tone of the
book seemed to be more-and-more mocking and less-and-less scientific.

3. In fact, the general tone of the book started out as an interesting
survey of evolutionary thought and theory (peppered with randomness
remarks) and was quite informative, polite, and generally surprising.
It was during this time I started thinking I had made a mistake.
I could see no wrong. What I saw was a writer starting to present
the work under discussion and starting to build up a "framework"
of points to ponder.

4. As I progressed passed page 60, the politeness disappeared and the
true purpose of the book shined through. Simplistic ideas about
evolution were set up and demolished in the next paragraph. Important
details and observations of evolutionary workers were cast away in
a couple of brief sentences. Darwin himself was dragged through the
dirt and even the entire scientific community was accused of being
brainwashed. I will give specific examples of these later
in this reported.

5. Mr. Denton's credentials. He is an M.D. No mention was given
on any specific research in his field that may relate to the
evolution arguement. As I read on, the fact that he was an MD was
inconsequential; he was clearly speaking in a personal, opinionated
tone.

The Report. (Part 1)

I present a list of objections or comments along with page numbers.
These comments are aimed at the most objectionable parts.
Objections to semi-objectionable parts or simplistic
explainations are not presented here. Otherwise I would have
to write a book.


Page 43. A statement of "pure chance". Mr Denton is perhaps not
aware that the current state of the world is just one of many states
which may of happend, depending on many different non-planned
events in the past. He keeps repeating that we are all here out
of pure chance, without realizing that _something_ must (or could)
occupy this space in time and we just happen to be that _something_.
Why not call  chance or randomness _undirected change_ ??

Page 55-58. He is explaining the fact (not theory :^)) that gaps
exist in the geological record and the lack of "clear"
intermediate species. (more on this later) His arguement is a
simplistic one, based on the concept of what we can't see with
our very eyes is not there. This seems to be an attempt on demolishing
Darwin by concentrating on one aspect of evolutionary theory as
presented 100 years ago.

He immediately discount all intermediate forms in two sentences.
The forms discussed are Hipparion (discount due to the fact that
mutent 2-toe horse are born today), Halitherium, Zeuglodon (no
apparent link between whale and carnivores), and Archaeopteryx (it
had flight feather; therefore it WAS a bird). I saw no semi-scientific
discssion on compartive anaminoty (from an M.D. viewpoint). This
was clearly a personal, opinioniated view.

Page 60. His view of the mechanics of evolution states that any
intermediates that do form must somehow breed with ALL members of
the originating species in order to replace it. He then gives some
ridiculus mathimatical formulea for this and of course concludes that
it can't be done anyway.

Page 60. The famous evolving Eye Example is presented here in
all its glory, with the belief that anything so "perfect"
could not have been evolved by "pure chance".

Page 63-64. Darwin's view of"blending" (inheritence) is demolished,
even if thsi view is no longer regarded.

Ends chapter two be blaming evolution for all of today's ills.

Page 70. FINALLY! THE QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!
Here it is, Gould and Eldredge (with reference to the original
article) quoted out of context. They seem to be say "yes, we agree
that the slow-pace evolutionary model is hard to believe" with
the general inpression that they disagree with all of evolution.
Of course, Denton does not mention that G&E are only discussing
their view of punctuated equilibrium and that they are otherwise
completly sure that evolution has and is happening. They were
only nit-picking on the details of the mechanics.


Page 74. The terms "micro-evolution" and "macro-evolution" were somehow
slipped into the discssion. Apparently, he is in COMPLETE accordane
with "micro-evolution" and completely reject "macro-evolution".
(There's a difference?). Also mentions that all biologist and
scientists are pressured and brainwashed into aggreeing with
common evotionary theory..

Page 75. Long arguement on "macroevolution" is just a theory, not
a shred of fact.

Page 76.""macro-evolution" is pertrified into metaphyiscal dogma"

Page 81. Finally defines the word "species".
(reproductive isolation, etc) .Ok explanation but not
consistent with the next section (dealing with "derived species).

Page 72-86. Case studies on peppered moth,herring + blacked back
gull, hawaiian insects, hawaiian fruitflies, hawaiian honeycreepers,
Caribbean lizards and wood warblers prove his view of
"micro-evolution". Then says that this does not apply to the
concept of "macro-evolution" and states "macro-evolution" is false.
What about his definition of species on page 81? This is the old
"derived-species/trans-species" arguement.



END of part 1. As you can see, there's lots to bitch about in this
book. I guess I was overdoing it a bit, going page-by-page.

This brings me back to first point. What about the original poster,
who asked about the book? Are you reading it? What are your
impressions? What about the other guy that complained about fairness
in weighing the evidence. Have you read the book. If so, what are
your impression.

I've cross-posted this to talk.religion.misc and talk.origins.

(and to sci.bio since shipping things to just talk.* groups
doesn't seen to work)
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