[talk.philosophy.misc] Light duty philosophy only?

gilbert@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Gilbert Cockton) (09/22/89)

In article <45934@bbn.COM> djoslin@BBN.COM (David Joslin) writes:
>Many of the philosophy professors at Carnegie Mellon were stolen
>from the University of Pittsburgh, which you might consider as well.
>However, their PhD program seemed geared towards heavy duty
>philosophy 
... and hard thinking gets in the way of serious AI? :-)


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djoslin@bbn.com (David Joslin) (09/23/89)

In article <3457@tahiti.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> (Gilbert Cockton) writes:
>In article <45934@bbn.COM> djoslin@BBN.COM (David Joslin) writes:
>>However, their PhD program seemed geared towards heavy duty
>>philosophy 
>... and hard thinking gets in the way of serious AI? :-)

That is from my summary of e-mail responses, of course, and not something
I said.  But it gives me an excuse to ask another question. 

I asked for information about PhD programs that combined AI and philosophy.
I had assumed that it didn't really matter whether the degree came from
a Philosophy department or a Cog Sci department or a CS department.  I
assumed that having a PhD in Philosophy, with classwork and research
leaning strongly toward theoretical AI, would still allow me to teach
in a CS/AI department.

I've gotten some negative feedback about this, however, including some
comments to the effect that few CS departments would consider hiring
somebody with a PhD in Philosophy, especially as the number of CS PhDs
continues to grow.  Is this true?  Would my MS in CS (and BS in EE) 
make any difference?  Would a PhD in Philosophy, even with strong ties
to AI research, really limit my options so severely?

In the end I probably wouldn't let it prevent me from going to the
school that seems to have research closest to the kind I want to do,
but I'd like to have realistic expectations about job prospects.

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zdhm06@backus.uucp (Donald H. Mitchell) (09/26/89)

[djoslin@bbn.com wrote about pursuing a Ph.D. in something related to
both philosophy and ai; then followed that note with a note saying he
met unexpected skepticism about employability if he gets a non-cs
degree.]

I thought so too when I started my Ph.D. in Cognitive Psychology in
1980, but, lo and behold, everyone looks at me funny today when I say I
work in AI and have a Ph.D. in Psychology.  If you remember, Psychology
was a third of the original backbone for AI.

It's a tough world out there and university cs departments have more
than just AI people.  When a non-cs ph.d. shows up, even if the ai
people are enlightened, the compiler, operating systems, and ee (if it's
an eecs) won't give them the time of day.  I mean, a psychologist or
philosopher isn't even an engineer! :-)
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