[talk.politics.misc] Nuclear Aftermath:killing or he

janw@inmet.UUCP (09/23/86)

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>The survival of the human race after *all* the nukes  that  exist
>have been launched is remote, at best.

I am not sure about the Southern Hemisphere. 

[Michael C. Berch]
>>Much more to the point is what to do about situations less than
>>full-scale nuclear war: terrorist nukes, one or two-city exchanges,
>>attacks on remote military targets with significant radiation release,
>>fallout from a nuclear war on another continent, use of tactical warheads 
>>near civilian areas, or even non-nuclear mass disasters like a really
>>big earthquake.

>Since one side is likely to want to get the last say in, it would
>be very very difficult to rely on a limited engagement.

Well, that's true in diplomatic chicken games, too; and yet
they *have* been known to back off (the Cuban crisis is the most
memorable example). Traditionally, the Soviet leadership are
very cool players, and good calculators. In U.S., that depends
on the political situation.

If a *third* party (e.g. terrorists) makes a strike, then escala-
tion is quite unlikely; the superpowers may work in concert then.

>What is even more scary is the fact that Communist Bloc  officers
>are  not nearly as good as their Western counterparts. To wit: in
>the Western forces authority to make decisions  is  relegated  to
>the  lowest  possible level. In the East it is just the opposite.
>The definition of "possible" being: that level at which faith  in
>judgement exists.

That's true, as far as I know (I've never served in
the Soviet armed forces, but I heard from people who did).

>Understand me clearly, I am very much in favor of a strong  mili-
>tary  but  the  present  level of nukes is entirely unacceptable.
>Between the two powers there are approximately  20,000  warheads.
>It  is  estimated  that  something less than 1,000 warheads being
>used in any exchange will  trigger  a  nuclear  winter.  Further,
>those  1,000  warheads  are  more than enough to reduce the world
>powers to nothing.

Then cutting the numbers in half won't  add  *any*  safety.   And
that's about the most diplomats dream of. Cutting by  two  orders
of magnitude - and *verifying* that - seems unrealistic. 

The "nuclear winter" is, apparently,  far  from  proved  -  but
that's  no  cause for complacency. It is unproved because the ef-
fects of nuclear exchange are so hard to predict. If not  this,
then some other, quite unpredicted effect is likely to get us.

The real chances of survival lie in not fighting a global war,
at least until space colonization is well under way, - not in
fighting it, but limiting the arsenal first.

			Jan Wasilewsky