[talk.politics.misc] Great men squeak on porn but walk into digressions

oaf@mit-vax.UUCP (Oded Feingold) (09/25/86)

    MARK TERRIBILE, 09/23/86                ADORNO et al; 1944-1950
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	And *that's*  [internal-   ||   	    PREFACE
izing attitudes promoted by por-   ||       This is a book  about social
nography, given   that he's in a   ||   discrimination.  But    its pur-
world where everyone partakes] a   ||   pose is not simply to  add a few
scary thought.  Now I don't fig-   ||   more empirical finding to an al-
ure I'm normal, but I *am* going   ||   ready extensive body of informa-
to   be a bit   elitist here and   ||   tion.  
suggest  that people who've made   ||       The central    theme of  the
it far enough to  be  talking on   ||   work is a relatively new concept
this group (myself included-may-   ||   -- the rise  of an ``anthropolo-
be) are a  little more apprecia-   ||   gical'' species  we call the au-
tive of their own feelings and a   ||   thoritarian type  of   man.   In
little slower to  be manipulated   ||   contrast to  the bigot of old he
by media exposure than the aver-   ||   seems  to combine  the ideas and
age in   the  population.   So I   ||   skills which  are typical   of a
concluding   in  this   unscien-   ||   highly  industrialized   society
tific way  that  there   *is*  a   ||   with irrational or anti-rational
potential for harm.                ||   beliefs.  He is at the same time
    [Translation: If it  affects   ||   enlightened  and  superstitious,
me at all it  must devastate all   ||   proud to be an individualist and
the inferior people WHOSE  JUDG-   ||   in constant fear  of  not  being
MENTS I SHOULD   MAKE FOR  THEM.   ||   like all  the others, jealous of
Better not lead  the proles into   ||   his independence and inclined to
temptation.]                       ||   submit blindly to power and  au-
                                   ||   thority.   The  character struc-
                                   ||   ture which comprises  these con-
                                   ||   flicting trends  has already at-
                                   ||   tracted the attention  of modern
                                   ||   philosophers and political thin-
                                   ||   kers.
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    My primary objection to Mr. Terribile's attitude, to which I admit
I added a willful adumbration, is that I see in it your basic authori-
tarian mindset.  Also in Mr. Reagan, and Mr.   Meese, and chairman Mr.
Hudson of the pornography commission, and in many USENET contributors.

    Computer science is a natural refuge for  authoritarians and <Fas-
cistically Inclined> people, who idolize "order" and  love imposing it
on systems of machines and coincidentally  of humans.  Among the early
computer scientists, Norbert Wiener foresaw that  problem in his  ``On
the Human Use of Human Beings.''  I personally think any self-respect-
ing CS curriculum (and all other curricula, since a major  part of the
readership isn't CSers)  should  include study  of the  ethical issues
confronting that field.   After all,  genetic engineers and  financial
planners and lots of others are powerful people in this society.  They
should have some idea of what their powers are and how they can affect
the world and people they deal with.

    I expect to post some more excerpts from that book (Adorno et al.,
``The Authoritarian Personality,'' Harper  Bros., New York,   1950) in
side-by-side comparison with the writings of political figures, USENET
personalities, and others.  Though I haven't read  it all, and already
find it dated, I recommend this book highly.  It  represents a strong,
honest, scholarly effort to understand  how  people can let themselves
become the passive or active minions of those humans who wish to domi-
nate others, and the collective  folly such  behavior can  lead to.  I
find it one of  those special books that can  literally be opened any-
where and display a trenchant insight.
    It is frightening how  many of its  passages, quoting   people who
rate high on scales of prejudice, pseudopatriotism  and receptivity to
propaganda in general and fascist propaganda in particular, sound like
people we know from this forum.

    [Note to female readers: One of  the book's editors is Else  Fren-
kel--Brunswik, who also conformed to the prevailing standard of gener-
ic third  person pronoun==he.  I did  not and will  not "correct"  the
terminology  in this 36-year-old  book in future   excerpts.  The book
presents extensive analyses of psychological tests administered to men
and women.  Where the tests differ by gender, all discussion of female
responses are properly pronounized with "she" and "her."  It discusses
the oppression of women and gathers attitudinal information from women
in all walks of life, from debutantes to prostitutes.  These folks are
not deliberate sexist pigs, and they write from the days when feminism
didn't mean anything on the national political scene.  Check it out.]

    Though the book's basic message is optimistic, that with close at-
tention to appropriate education we can  wean people  away from preju-
dice, group hostility  and the  desire  to implement  one's irrational
hatreds as public policy, I find cold  comfort  there.  The book's au-
thors carried out their research and published their  findings between
1944 and 1950; they were  understandably obsessed with  the defeat  of
Nazi and Japanese  Fascism, and  being primarily Jewish  were also ob-
sessed with understanding and preventing future occurrences of the ex-
termination  of  Jews (or anyone  else.)  But the intervening  history
shows an accelerating pace of persecutions, exterminations  and dimin-
ishing  human freedom throughout the world.   Even  the descendants of
the concentration camp graduates, and in  some  cases those very  same
graduates find themselves inexorably seduced by the siren of  authori-
tarianism -- Begin, Shamir and  Sharon would  have been quite comfort-
able with the fascists of the 1930s and  1940s, and the United  States
has taken to sponsoring the latter's direct (and logical) descendants,
perhaps the better to oppose a competing set  of  totalitarian oppres-
sors, perhaps because it is the only universally accepted coin in  in-
ternational relations.
    (Lest  you accuse me of communist   leanings, I'll   note that the
``other side'' is if possible even worse.  There, does  that  make the
Wasilewskis of this world happy?)
    (Lest you accuse me of sucking up to Arabs by badmouthing the  Is-
raeli right, I'm  sure  Raif Hijab and Farzin  Mokhtarian will set you
straight on that score.  There, does that make the  Yakim Martillos of
this world happy?)
    So, if I call people like Terribile,  M.E.  Smith, Ron Morgan, and
several former contributors fascist, prejudiced  or authoritarian,  it
doesn't mean I think I can ``reform'' or ``re-educate''  them.  I gave
up on that long ago.  Frankly, I'm they're going to win.  Whereas peo-
ple  ``want'' freedom, oppressors  ``have to have''  their way.  Don't
pay any attention to the Philippines - those guys are experimental er-
ror.  (Freedom hasn't won there - I hardly imagine it will.)

    While I'm passing out  insults, I'd like  to note that, unlike the
persons I've maligned above, Tim Sevener can hardly be called authori-
tarian.  I consider  him an example of the  triumph of humanistic pre-
cepts over the temptation to run with the in-crowd and aggrandize one-
self at the expense of  both other  people  and one's  own  integrity.
People who call him a knee-jerk liberal, and discount  his opinions on
that basis, are making a serious mistake:  The accusation  is true but
the conclusion is false.  Sevener  operates by testing people  and  e-
vents against his own, personal perception of  proprieties and priori-
ties, be they what he'd do after a nuclear exchange or what he  thinks
of Reagan's attempts  to filch money  from school lunch programs.   No
doubt about it, the guy's goofy, and he utters apparent  Pollyannaisms
on widely disparate topics.  But those are HIS opinions, cooked  up to
please his idiosyncratic ideas  of what the  world should be like, and
not tailored  to popular trends  in American Commiephobia or  much  of
anything  else.  Certainly one  doesn't be  liberal to be popular, not
that way, anyway.  He is true to himself AND  DOESN'T PRETEND TO SPEAK
FOR ANYONE ELSE - that puts him ahead of some people I can  think  of,
and is an example worth emulating.
    So my mention of him as ThatFlamingCommie (TFCSevener) was a crude
bit of teasing, a parody of his respondents' attitudes toward him.  It
does not mean I think his opinions come from Moscow, nor  that I agree
or disagree with them.  The party I insulted in that exchange  was NOT
Mr. Sevener.
    To return to  the topic of authoritarianism, I  see nothing  wrong
with Mr. Sevener calling the present administration  fascist, even  if
it operates no known concentration  camps (within US borders  - I ima-
gine we  make sure  they're running   smoothly in several  other coun-
tries.)  What he  is pointing out is  not specific conformity to  con-
text-free definitions, but a basic orientation.  He has the clarity of
sight to note where our policies point, and the  foolhardiness  to say
so on nutnews.  Like I said, the dude is goofy.  But worth some atten-
tion.  People who complain about such descriptions are like the Boston
drivers I deal with every day; defective in their understanding of dy-
namics, and too lazy mentally to hit the brakes until their car is in-
ches from the onrushing bridge piling.
    (Lest  you  accuse  me of supporting  humanism in contravention of
God, Jesus and the children I've sacrificed to Moloch  this week, I'll
note that Secular Humanism registered as a ``religion''  in California
some years ago for the sole purpose of snagging the  same tax shelters
as church-related action groups.  This move has been considered one of
the  most dumb-ass strategies  in a philosophical movement  character-
ized by dumb-ass political inexperience.  Besides, humanism has only a
coincidental relationship to Secular Humanism, and since the latter is
not a doctrinaire religion, much as the idiot Ken Arndt would like you
to think otherwise, it cannot specify  what is and  isn't  humanistic.
So my ``humanism'' [in  this case applied  to Sevener,]  just like  my
``orthodoxy'' is my own creation, not a bogeyman out of some religious
bozo's nightmares, nor wet dreams.)

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    Astute readers who have gotten this far  will note that the Terri-
bile posting I'm answering did NOT appear on talk.politics.misc.   I'm
exercising my feeling on what single newsgroup deserves the whole por-
nography discussion.  It ain't an issue of medicine, kids, or singles,
but of who  will tell who else what  to do, and  shoot, beat, torture,
starve out,  imprison or merely  boycott, badmouth and barratrize  any
who-elses who don't fall into line.  That's politics, pure and simple,
so it's here.  I'd appreciate any counterflames  (which I no doubt de-
serve) restricted to this newsgroup.

    Thank you very much.
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