ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) (09/28/86)
I don't know an exact figure, but I think five dollars would be a reasonable guess as to the cost of a week's supply of heroin for a typical addict if produced and sold at cost by the govt. here in the United States. As things presently stand, a DAY's supply runs $200 or $300 for many of them, and they deal at twenty percent fences i.e. they have to steal $1000 worth of goods at least to get that $200. Times seven is $7000 minimum for a weekly figure; five dollars worth of heroin is being converted into a bare minimum of $7000 worth of crime weekly per addict. Times the number of such idiots running around. All of this amounts to one hell of a price to pay for a double standard. The U.S. Mayors' Council has repeatedly stated that 70% of big-city crime would vanish overnight if heroin were legalized. My solution: legalize heroin or at least provide free sources to addicts, no questions asked, legalize one or two of the designer drugs which are (relat- ively) harmless such as marijuana and cocaine, and keep the real Jeckyl/Hyde formulas such as lsd and pcp banned. And have autos de fe for anyone caught selling drugs of any sort to minors.
ashcroft@ernie.Berkeley.EDU (Dazed and Confused) (09/30/86)
In article <619@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: >My solution: legalize heroin or at least provide free sources to addicts, no >questions asked, legalize one or two of the designer drugs which are (relat- >ively) harmless such as marijuana and cocaine, and keep the real Jeckyl/Hyde >formulas such as lsd and pcp banned. And have autos de fe for anyone caught >selling drugs of any sort to minors. They have tried this for a long time in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. It has been an absolute disaster. Maybe it might work if they dispensed narcotics only to addicts who checked in to a special institute - they could get all the drugs they wanted but could only leave if they had been drug free for say a period of 6 months.
tim@ism780c.UUCP (Tim Smith) (10/02/86)
In article <619@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: > >My solution: legalize heroin or at least provide free sources to addicts, no >questions asked, legalize one or two of the designer drugs which are (relat- >ively) harmless such as marijuana and cocaine, and keep the real Jeckyl/Hyde >formulas such as lsd and pcp banned. And have autos de fe for anyone caught >selling drugs of any sort to minors. Marijuana and cocaine are not designer drugs. Lsd is not as bad as cocaine, so perhaps they should be exchanged in the above. -- What's the difference between a duck? Tim Smith USENET: sdcrdcf!ism780c!tim Compuserve: 72257,3706 Delphi or GEnie: mnementh
pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) (10/02/86)
In article <619@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: >I don't know an exact figure, but I think five dollars would be a reasonable >guess as to the cost of a week's supply of heroin for a typical addict if >produced and sold at cost by the govt. here in the United States. As things >presently stand, a DAY's supply runs $200 or $300 for many of them, and they >deal at twenty percent fences i.e. they have to steal $1000 worth of goods >at least to get that $200. Times seven is $7000 minimum for ... Gee, what a simple one dimensional problem, they steal from us. Naughty people aren't they Ted, guess we should give them all the heroin they want, huh? And feed them, and pay their medical expenses and cloth them and pay for their housing and utilities and psychiatric problems, and their children and their spread of social diseases. Gee whiz, golly Ted, I hope none of these guys will get an urge for a higher high! Then what are you going to do, add "crack" to the list? >.. . The U.S. Mayors' Council has repeatedly stated that 70% of big-city >crime would vanish overnight if heroin were legalized. Ted, I've got it, why don't you run for mayor of Rockville. >My solution: legalize heroin or at least provide free sources to addicts, no >questions asked, legalize one or two of the designer drugs which are (relat- >ively) harmless such as marijuana and cocaine, and keep the real Jeckyl/Hyde >formulas such as lsd and pcp banned. Ha! There you go, Ted, great campaign speech! I kind of wondered how you got your origins view point. +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II, Ltd.; College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | {umcp-cs | seismo}!prometheus!pmk; pmk@prometheus.UUCP | decade | +---------------------------------------------------------+--------+
soren@reed.UUCP (10/07/86)
In article <270@prometheus.UUCP> pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) writes: >In article <619@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: >> [numbers of dollars about drug abuse] >Gee, what a simple one dimensional problem, they steal from us. >Naughty people aren't they Ted, guess we should give them all the >heroin they want, huh? And feed them, and pay their medical >expenses and cloth them and pay for their housing and utilities >and psychiatric problems, and their children and their spread of >social diseases. Ah, you do understand aren't you. If heroin were legal, then heroin addicts wouldn't be criminals. If heroin addicts could get stuff for free, they wouldn't have to steal from pillars of the community like you. For a long time, the British had such a program and, I recall, no serious heroin problem either. (Any statistics, anyone?). >>.. . The U.S. Mayors' Council has repeatedly stated that 70% of big-city >>crime would vanish overnight if heroin were legalized. >Ted, I've got it, why don't you run for mayor of Rockville. No, Paul, why don't YOU run for mayor of YOUR town. You seem to have a much better grasp of the issues involved in running a big city than either the U.S. Mayor's Council OR Ted does. >| Paul M. Koloc
nrh@inmet.UUCP (10/10/86)
>/* Written 4:39 pm Sep 30, 1986 by ashcroft@ernie.Berkeley.EDU in inmet:talk.pol.misc */ >In article <619@imsvax.UUCP> ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes: >>My solution: legalize heroin or at least provide free sources to addicts, no >>questions asked, legalize one or two of the designer drugs which are (relat- >>ively) harmless such as marijuana and cocaine, and keep the real Jeckyl/Hyde >>formulas such as lsd and pcp banned. And have autos de fe for anyone caught >>selling drugs of any sort to minors. > >They have tried this for a long time in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. It has >been an absolute disaster. Maybe it might work if they dispensed narcotics >only to addicts who checked in to a special institute - they could get all >the drugs they wanted but could only leave if they had been drug free for >say a period of 6 months. >/* End of text from inmet:talk.pol.misc */ > When I visited Amsterdam two years ago, there were plenty of drugs for sale on the street. I thus find your contention that legalization has been tried there a little hard to believe. Perhaps you were talking about free stuff for addicts? It's been a smash hit in the UK: as I understand it, there were thought (about 4 years ago) to be about 1000 addicts in all of England.