karthur@codas.att.com (Kurt_R_Arthur) (02/06/88)
Sorry to post this, but the mail bounced. Further discussion on this should be directed to alt.flame. In article <601@crcmar.crc.uucp> steve@crcmar.crc.uucp (Steve Ardron) writes: > In article <1617@codas.att.com>, karthur@codas.att.com (Kurt_R_Arthur) writes: >> In article <4929@nsc.nsc.com> fiasco@nsc.nsc.com (G. R. Gircys) writes: >> > [ A whole bunch of stuff concerning how wonderful Nicaragua is ] >> If Nicaragua is so great (by your own admission it's constitution out-does >> ours) why aren't you down there? > > Don't be so intentionally dense. He was saying Nicaragua is great for > Nicaragua, and a hell of a lot better than other banana republics, but it is > still a third (2nd?) world country. He may admire Nicaragua, but doesn't > want to give up his standard of living for "principles". > > Stevie. I'm the one who's intentionally dense? Who wrote "Nicaragua is great for Nicaragua"? That's like saying "Russia is great for Russia". Great logic (?). Maybe we can get you on "Firing Line" (I'm sure you'll dissect Wm. F. Buckley with arguments like that). BTW, if the other Central American republics are so badly off (inferred from your "hell of a lot better" remark), why do the Sandanistas have to _export_ their revolution? The people should be _importing_ it! To spell it out for you, my (valid) point is that if you believe a system is obviously better than the system you are presently in (and you are freely permitted to leave), you are a hypocrite if you don't move to that new system, regardless of standard of living or anything else. If you do not move, you are incontrovertible evidence that the system you decry is better. Kurt Arthur
steve@crcmar.crc.uucp (Steve Ardron) (02/15/88)
In article <1830@codas.att.com>, karthur@codas.att.com (Kurt_R_Arthur) writes: > > > > Don't be so intentionally dense. He was saying Nicaragua is great for > > Nicaragua, and a hell of a lot better than other banana republics, but it is > > still a third (2nd?) world country. He may admire Nicaragua, but doesn't > > want to give up his standard of living for "principles". > > > > Stevie. > > I'm the one who's intentionally dense? Who wrote "Nicaragua is great for > Nicaragua"? That's like saying "Russia is great for Russia". Great logic (?). > Maybe we can get you on "Firing Line" (I'm sure you'll dissect Wm. F. Buckley > with arguments like that). BTW, if the other Central American republics are so > badly off (inferred from your "hell of a lot better" remark), why do the > Sandanistas have to _export_ their revolution? The people should be _importing_ > it! > > To spell it out for you, my (valid) point is that if you believe a system is > obviously better than the system you are presently in (and you are freely > permitted to leave), you are a hypocrite if you don't move to that new system, > regardless of standard of living or anything else. If you do not move, you are incontrovertible evidence that the system you decry is better. > > Kurt Arthur Apologies to G.R. Gircys for what I'm about to say. First, other countries are importing communism, or trying to. There are a hell of a lot of people in South and Central America who would rather live in a communist country than a dictatorial capitalistic one (more like feudal, a few own everything, and their children inherit everything). I have never heard of Nicaragua trying to export revolution in any way, all they seem interested in doing is preventing outside powers interfering with the lives of their people. Secondly, yes I was saying he was a hypocrite (this is what I apologised for) Just because he feels that they have a better constitution, and seem to have a morally better government (I don't think he said anything about a constitution, just the gov't) doesn't mean it's a better place to live. Face it, USA is an industrial country, a first world country with a strong economic base and possibly the best/most accessible natural resources of any country in the world. Obviously the standard of living is better here, when Nicaragua is a rather poor country. What's sp bad about being a hypocrite? If you say "I admire that man for giving up his life to save others, but I wouldn't do it" am I a hypocrite? Steve Ardron.