[talk.politics.misc] Actually, Nine Percent Ain't Bad

gcf@mydog.UUCP (Gordon Fitch) (04/03/91)

Much has been made of the fact that, of people who were awake at
all, 91% approved of Bush's handling of the Gulf crisis and 9%
disapproved.  While I have a lot of doubt about these polls,
let's assume that 9% is factual and represents three components:
hard-core pacifists, the peace movement, and irreducible
curmudgeons (those who disapprove of _everything_.)  And let's
assume that the proportion of hard-core pacifists and
curmudgeons remains about the same over a period of time.  I
think this is a reasonable assumption because hard-core pacifism
and irreducible curmudgeonry have little to do with outside events
and conditions; they're internal and personal.

Now, during the war in Vietnam, the opposition was even smaller
at its lowest point: 6% (in 1965).  I remember this well because
it was so at variance with my own perceptions -- but that's
another story.  Let's assume that this figure, too, is factual,
or if it is non-factual it is non-factual in the same way as 
"9%."  Now, if we assume that the proportion of the population 
which consisted of hard-core pacifists or curmudgeons was the 
same, then the peace movement has been growing rather rapidly.  
In fact, the smaller you say the peace movement is, the faster 
you say it's growing.  

For instance, let's say the constant element in the opposition
to the appropriate war is 5%.  Although there are not many
hard-core pacifists, it is certainly difficult to think that 
fewer than one out of twenty is a curmudgeon, given what we
see in daily life.  5% seems like a minimal figure.  If it is,  
then the peace movement grew from 1% of the pollable 
population to 4% in 26 years -- one generation.  If its 
numbers increase fourfold in every generation, it will 
represent 16% of the population 26 years from now and become 
a majority in about 45 years.

However, if you say that the constant element in the opposition
to the war is 5.5% (it can't be more than 6%) then the peace
movement went from 0.5% of the population in 1965 to 3.5% in
1991, that is, increased sevenfold.  At this rate the peace
movement will become a majority in 27 years.

In other words, many of you now in your twenties or thirties
have an excellent chance of seeing the dissolution of the War 
Machine in your lifetime.  And you would not know this without 
the public-relations victories of the War Machine's servitors 
and sycophants.  Keep the faith.

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gcf@mydog.UUCP (Gordon Fitch) (04/04/91)

| gcf@mydog.UUCP (Gordon Fitch) writes:
| >have an excellent chance of seeing the dissolution of the War 
| >Machine in your lifetime.  And you would not know this without 
| >the public-relations victories of the War Machine's servitors 
| >and sycophants.  Keep the faith.
j
silber@m.cs.uiuc.edu (Ami A. Silberman) writes:
| (Most of the analysis deleted.)  And, given enough time, there will
| be more members of the peace movement than people?  Wow, animal
| sentience!:)  

Okay, some of the math was a little bit humorous.  But the humor
decorates a valid point: there's a much bigger anti-war movement
than there used to be.

|               Seriously, there are differences in the peace movement
| then and now.  In the Desert Storm peace movement, a fair number
| of the nay-sayers were pessimists (I must admit that I was a bit of one
| myself until after the airwar started) who just thought it would be a
| bad idea.  Remember, back in September and August the talk was of the
| large number of casualties engendered by an immeadiate ground offensive.
| The other thing to keep in mind was that back in the early days of
| Veitnam, large portions of the American left were actually in favor of
| the war, for a variety of reasons.

Do you mean by the Left alleged liberals like Adlai Stevenson,
Jacob Javits, the Kennedys, the AFL-CIO, that lot?  If so, yes,
they were in favor of it; in fact, they engineered it.  I don't
know of anyone in what I would consider the real Left of that
time who was in favor of the war, although a good many of the
more authoritarian types have now recanted -- sucking up to a
more authoritative kind of authority, I imagine.

Before Johnson overtly committed the troops (Kennedy had been
sneaking them in) American public opinion was about evenly
divided on whether military action was a good idea.  So this was
rather similar to the recent situation.  Then as now, the people
who were seriously against war in general managed to alienate
those who were not against war in general but against the current
war in particular, although this war developed so fast it didn't
matter.  Had Congress been unwilling to go along with Bush's
plans I'm sure an incident would have been provided to get things
moving.  

If the Iraqis had fought like the Vietnamese or the Germans, we
might have seen very high casualties indeed, but that in itself
would not have done much but increase the thirst for vengeance
and justification by violence.  The time to stop a war is before
it starts -- long before.  It's probably already too late to stop
the next war, which I would guess will be directed at Cuba,
although as I noted in an article on the subject, there are quite
a few potential targets.

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