Love-Hounds-request@EDDIE.MIT.EDU.UUCP (02/11/87)
Really-From: hofmann@nrl-css.arpa (Jim Hofmann) Well. Here is part two of the PSYCODRAMA interview. Part III resides on a Macintosh disc due to problems with our machine being down on the weekend when I was set to type it in. (Note: all the typing and transcribing is done on my own time, in case any snoops out there disagree they can come in and talk to me about it). So, I may try and figure out a way to bring it in though I really think this part II is the more interesting of all parts. Bob Krajewski asked about whether PSYCODRAMA had been banned and this is indeed true. In the DC area, they are in a class of their own now that the BAD BRAINS have become "accessible" and less "dangerous" (and insipid at the same time?). I listened to their latest tape recently with a friend who has peavy speakers and a mixer/equalizer in order to cut down on hiss and high end noise and though there are some areas on the tape that drag (such as a Art Song lifted DIRECTLY with one of them moaning over it and a lift of ZZ Top's La Grange with new words shouted over it), for the most part this is some BRILLANT stuff. Mostly the tape revolves around what sounds like simulated killings of various people that offend the P-DRAMAs such as "Jews" and "Niggers" or sounds of cats dying or pedophiles being satiated. It sounds much more intense (even with the high end noise crud) than DIAMANDA GALAS and much more like PSYCIC TV than ZZ TOP (though you'll never get them to admit it). What's amazing it that is is done with non conventional multi-tracking. It almost runs like a movie. Listen to it with a friend. Very loud. And be sure not to stand too close to the speakers. Something just may grab you in the solar plexus. You have the address from the last posting, so go to it (send a blank tape if you have nothing to trade and postage and ask for the Raleigh March tape). Part 2 ------ J: Can't afford whores cuz I spend it on pot and go to GMU to get laid. [talk turns back to when they tried to meet the BUTTHOLES at the Danceteria] J: If he (Gibby) ever comes up here, tell him to expect us. We been trying to meet him. We tried to meet him in New York. He was in this club (Danceteria) - Mykel went in there, first. And we come. I had blood and cowshit all over me. And vomit... SS: That's normal in New York, ain't? J: Not in this ritzy place - we were stinkin' drunk and strung out on cocaine & killer weed n' stuff and we were just going into this real ritzy punk-rock club saying "we know Mykel Board, we're cool!" And this bouncer came out, didn't like what we were saying. And Ronnie (Fi Fi Poo Butt), he's braver than any of us - went up to the bouncer who told us to "get the fuck out of here". I said, "We were invited in by a high-up" And he goes ..."neeeeeeh, get out of here." Ronnie pulled out his big knife and says, "motherfucker, you ain't shit" and I'm there throwing bugs in his face. Hadn't bathed in ssoooo long. B: And he comes back with a 2X4, hits me over the head. I cracked my skull. J: I jumped in a sewer and Fi Fi got arrested and consequently we all got arrested. B: I had to go to the hospital. SS: Did you go to the Tombs? J: That was no tomb - that was a social club. Shit, I had a worse time in Loudon County. B: We were in a holding cell - the Tombs were down below. Ronnie was at the Tombs. J: Yeah, you're right. [ talk turns to 9:30 club, DC trend hangout] J: Tell him about the most recent 930 incident. B: We're not allowed in there. SS: You're lucky. B: I haven't gone there for awhile but he (Jim) tried recently and they told him we couldn't go in cuz we said rascist things the last time we were there - J: Nah, he said, I spit blood all over that place and cussed alot ... B: You said he said we said rascist things. J: I said he was a motherfucking nigger. B: Just caused we called SABOTAGE (Jared of PEACH) fucking jews. J: No, what I said to him was, you ain't nothing but a black ass worthless nigger - you don't know nothing about music - you ain't got no cause to tell me to do nothing. B: That's rascist. J: FUCK him - he's a fucking nigger...they dragged him off the street one day. B: That's what they do in DC - the white women who run the place hire these - [tape ends here] [We turn on the video] SS: How did you dub it? B: We rented a camera, which is real hard to do. You have to get someone with a credit card. We had the music playing as we filmed it and then used the recorder to take dub in some tapes we had prepared. This is what I was gonna show on the big, huge screen at the Danceteria but they kicked us out. J: They started by not letting us in the PSYCHIC TV show. Would have been wonderful to see all those fucking New York wavo faggots looking at your house. B: Well, you read how Ronnie went up and dig dingleberries. J: Shit, that was better than watching those fuckers watch this! B: That's what happened instead of us performing in front of this big drive-in movie theatre video screen. J: Well, they shouldn't have made me and Karen catch cold that night. B: I went to shit this - but they'd rather throw dingleberries. J: I spit blood all over and threw at the guy - I hate their fucking guts and hope it burns down. SS: Danceteria closed - it's an office building now. J: We kind of are hoping that we started the snowball causing that. There were about 10 pigs there that night, cuz of shit we were doing plus a bunch of NY skinheads - so between us and the skinheads, it was fun. SS:(referring to video) Do you want people to laugh at this? J: I don't care. B: They can do whatever they want. I don't even think about it. J: I'd rather go to the horseraces than listen to what they think about it. Besides, this is from like five years ago. SS: You ever get anyone to throw up? J: We got Mykel Board to throw up. SS: How did you meet him anyway? B: When he did that record (most hated bands comp)... he asked Barbera Rice (Truly Needy) what the most hated band was - and she said us, so he put us on. J: (Points to symbol): See that symbol up there (A swastika and a cross) - that's ours B: Aryan Nations (shows arm tatoo of symbol) J: (points to TV): Get on your feet motherfucker (they both rise and give Aryan straightarm salute) Hell yeah! B:(points to TV) He's a God J: Bill Gayle (sp?) J: Look - that's Rob Lipshitz - and his record synagogue. B: He's got mounds of music equipment, that's why he doesn't do anything with us anymore. J: We like to use shit and he uses 1000$ of equipment. This tape is from our pre-ZZ period..... [talk about ZZ Top while pictures of Fi Fi "relieving" himself come on - I was glad this Fi Fi didn't show up at the interview, let me tell ya] J: I'm the closet heterosexual - B: That's (the video) back when I was a queer. J: We don't have anything recent on VHS - if it was recent, it'd all be military. B: We can't rent a camera. SS: Why did you change? B: Someone called us ZZ Top and - J: We just instantly went hetero, hetero, hetero - biker bars and titty bars. Titties, bikers, Hank Williams and ZZ. Just because some 16 year old faggot punk rocker yelled "ZZ" out of a window and then "SKYNRD." We go out of our way to go to these art places to be Skynard as possible. SS: What do you think of PEACH OF IMMORTALITY? J: I think Jared's an asshole. I don't like him. He's got a funny dick. B: I want to trade tapes with Tom but I won't give him my address cuz of SABOTAGE cuz SABOTAGE would send the police after us... J: I don't trust the motherfucker. SS: Tom Smith's got his own label with a big backer - but no one knows who it is. J: We saw them over at the Complex and we liked them. Tom came over and talked to us for a few seconds. B: I like their music when they sing but not when they don't sing. J: Jared's gonna get his wig thrown up on the roof the next time he's in a place with me. I dare him to do anything about it cuz we'll have Todd...Bear, Mule and throw him off the fucking roof. He deserves it, too. He started up this shit and got the 930 club after us, too. I know he's making the flyers now. SS: They guy in BIG BLACK said he wouldn't play at 930 unless they booked PUSSY (GALORE) and Jared's friends with them... J: Paul Albini? Why didn't they not play there unless they booked US? Fuck PUSSY GALORE. SS: They're trendy now. B: They're guitar, bass and drums - J: Albini's never heard of us. If he did - SS: You ever send him a tape? J: We would never send a tape to Homostead. B: I did! J: Huh? SS: BIB BLACK is on T&G now. J: Well, then I would send them a tape. Tesco was gonna write a thing about us fore the zine caved in. B: I sent a tape to Homostead. J: Well, we'll go in an alley now to settle this - SS: What you think about Gerrard Coozely? J: That's the guy the guy in Georgia wanted us to send all the Aryan nations stuff to. B: Yeah, MEDICINE SUITE didn't like them, so I sent him a tape saying "Back off Motherfucker from my Buttbuddy in jail down in Georgia." Homostead never did anything to me, though, so I don't have anything against them. B: You gotta turn that off now (the video). SS: Why? B: Cuz it doesn't have vocals and I'm not drunk enough to do them. [bathroom break] SS: So, where did you pick up Louise? [Louise is a headless pacifer foam rubber manniken they brought in with them] B: I got it at a boy scout sale. Fi Fi got a boy scout and I got Louise. J: I was in the Chef trying to pick up a 40 year old woman. I want someone to let a 25 year old bum sit around her house all day while she goes out and brings me money. That's my whole goal in life. A 50 year old woman who will let me live in a trailer with her - bring me everything. I don't even wanna work. I haven't worked in 10 years. I never will work, just ain't gonna do it. B: All I want is a rubber pussy... and I'll put hot rice down inside of it. [ more talk about the best rubber pussies] J: We work on a garbage truck... B: And that's where I get my equipment from. Cuz I found it on the garbage route. I found this old guitar. I found this flute and - J: Found a whole buncha dolls - B: - a tape deck to play South Bronx music off of to get rhythms. J: Speaking of the South Bronx, here's my hat that I tool off a nigger out in DC cuz he was sleeping too soundly. SS: H.R.? J: Nah... [bathroom break] SS: You see the latest DC Period? Someone wrote a letter about you guys calling you the "old guard" of DC noise bands and hailing all these other groups as - J: Was it Luis talking shit? SS: Luis! B: (from bathroom): Lu-Wizzz... SS: They were implying your time was over - J: Aw, fuck them. What do they know? I sit in the Chef all the time. They don't even know me. Got another beer, by the any chance? J: (reading from period): "What does matter is that PEACH OF IMMORTALITY is an incredibly good band and Tom has almost single-handedly erased the old guard of self- concious noise bands. (NO TREND, PSYCODRAMA)... [lots of laughter and derision] B: We're just as modern as BLACK OAK ARKANSAS. J: Who is that pussy-ass college student bitch? Fuckin' sociology student. I dare 'im to go in Bear's house. He can talk to Moses & Bear about all his noise bands, I'll kick that pussy's ass. Let's see that, how many mispellings did he - I wanna know how this motherfucker ever heard of us cuz we never do anything down there. B: (reading) Goddamn. He says IGNUS INDUSTRIE is good? We went down to see them - they were heavy metal. J: Goddamn! YEah. B: He said (POI) made it possible for "new" groups like NEW CARROLTON, PUSSY GALORE, IGNUS INDUSTRIE - J: (Bronx Cheer) The old guard of noise bands. Now that's the stupidest thing I ever heard. B: They (IGNUS) had stripes on everything with four guitars and bandanas around their heads and shit. J: Fuck that place. I'm going to the Chef tomorrow morning and you ain't gonna get me out of there for nothing ever again. B: They make it possible for new groups like metal bands, jazz bands, blues bands - (laughter) J: What's this fucker's name here? Nicolas Warden? That's the guy who put us in jail! B: The "warden" in Loudon County. J: Nicolas... we had to sneak past him for chow everyday. SS: How long were you in jail? J: Too long. B: He kept saying we're gonna go see the Magistrate, soon as we said "we liked heavy metal." We kept saying, "No, no, no, bullshit!" J: He kept saying, "Boy, you're gonna like new music in DC like heavy metal" We kept saying, "Now, we ain't gonna do it!" He said, "I'll break ya, boy..." B: I remember that Warden. J: He says, "looks like we gots a communications problem here, Jim and Tina, we gotta big problem here." J: Am I like the most self concious person you've ever beheld? (laughter). I'm the most self-concious person I know but I bet I know 10 times more about music than that fucker will ever know. B: Yea-ah. I know I do. J: Shit, I bet Bear knows more music than he does. I bet Monteo knows more. I bet Hillbilly knows more. We're gonna get all these Pagans to come down and kill this person. We're gonna kill Nicolas Warden. He fucked us in jail, too - put us in the hot-box. B: Tried to make us fuck little boys... so he could watch through the bars. J: I know that guy. He shoulda never printed his fucking name. I know him - he ain't fooling me, motherfucker. The old guard. B: That's what the Klan's called. J: 'Member that old man we was drinking with? In Sanford North Carolina? We went to this bait and tackle shop looking for a Klan meeting and this old guy came out and said, "you guys must be with the new Klan. You ain't with the old guard" I said, "yowse, yowse, we like niggers now. We just wanna go hunting." SS: What's the New Klan? Is there a difference? B: The new Klan is more DC. J: They're more Nationlist. B: Yeah, political - the old Klan - J: - is like Dave Hall. B: "Where's that nigger?" The old Klan is - you just string up a nigger and that's it. You laugh, "Hah, HAh, HAH." Then you drink some moonshine. J: And set his bloody carcass afire. B: And the new Klan - J: The 80's Klan, the "Fashion" Klan... B: Yeah, the "Fashion" Klan tries to be mediocre like PEACH OF IMMORTALITY. (laughter) J: They wear Nike shorts like Tom. SS: Under their robes and hoods, huh? B: YEah, they go to Sears and work out afterwards. J: And don't drink whiskey in front of their wives. They don't like Bubba. B: They're into the politics of it all. SS: So, that's your new way to be offensive? J: No, that's our new way to entertain ourselves cuz we're bored with everything else. SS: So, when people say you're passe' - you're "offensive" and that's "passe'" and ... J: What's passe'? I don't know what that is? Bear never says anything like that. SS: Because they really just don't want to put up with you. J: I'd say that. B: They're nigger lovers You either like a nigger or you don't. We hate niggers, they love niggers. Nothing passey about it. That's just an excuse. J: These motherfuckers saying all this passe' yakyakyak - you wanna know what we're all about? I sit in a fucking goof bar all day of my life - I sit in back of a garbage truck smoking killer weed all day. And I have this big psychotic reaction from it. All I ever do is go out - buy records and stay in my damn house all week and smoke dope all week. He kin tell ya - we haven't even tried to play anywhere. Half the motherfuckers never heard of us. We don't even DO noise, there's rhythm. There's tonality. Everything - there's no noise. Certainly no old guard. B: There's some nosie. J:... it's not the old guard for Christ's sake. SS: What's the old guard anyway? J: That's WHITEHOUSE/BLACKHOUSE/23 SKIDOO - B: I've traded all over Europe and stuff and heard PEACH two years ago from other bands and tapes from Europe. J: I heard that shit when I saw five years old when I couldn't get my record player to play ... B: 'Cept when they sing - then it's good. That rhythm noise shit is so old and NEW CAROLTON bangs on drums and shit J: Shit! It's stupid! SS: Don't do shit for me. J: These motherfuckers that write that shit haven't heard us in 10 years. They'd be suprised at what they hear. We don't sound industrial. SS: Most of them have never been in a factory. B: In DC? Exactly. J: I'm not involved in any of this Dee Cee music bullshit. I don't care about it. Doesn't mean shit to me. If those guys that bitched about we could go somewheres from there. We been the rascism would get the rascism out of our system, We got some shit planned that you've never seen before if they could go beyond the rascism and see it for what it reall is, hell, they'd probably even like it but - [ questions about PSYCODRAMA'S beginnings] SS: So, you started off as "PEASOUP(green)" music? J: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. It started out as something that had potential in everyone else's world. It had a bass - didn't someone play a bass? Roger something? They had instruments. B: I was like PEACH now. J: Exactly. It just regressed & regressed & regressed. All the people left and aren't doing anything now. Put it this way - there was a group of people who didn't give a fuck about anything in the world, 'cept going to the CHEF or killin' niggers. They're right here now. those other guys are out in their basement bullshitting doing jack shit. Doing nothing and they never will do anything - B: They're doing techno-rock. [ Part III: The story behind the SONIC YOUTH incident. More accusatory blather. They come clean but erase the tape. We head to the block]