Love-Hounds-request@EDDIE.MIT.EDU.UUCP (04/03/87)
Really-From: ganzer%trout@nosc.mil (Mark T. Ganzer) ------- >From: IED0DXM%UCLAMVS.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu >... that MTV again failed to show the "Don't Give Up" video >(and chances are they never will, having opted now firmly in favour of >a menu of 90% mindless and repetitive candy-floss pseudo-heavy >metal pabulum "performance" videos to 10% even worse stuff...) What is real sad is that in the last 3 weeks looking for "Don't Give Up", I've seen the Springsteen "Born To Run" video 3 times and the latest Bowie video twice. So much for a "new video" program, eh? >To answer the query re the piKTure disks: > ... The second (apparently the >one you saw) has two more recent photos: one from the European >lip-synch of "Babooshka" (Kate in red leotard, bass viol by the >throat), the other a close-up from her 1985 visit to America. This is the one I saw. I had read your descriptions previously, but didn't make the connection when I saw it. Now I don't feel so bad about not getting it (although I also missed the "Comic Relief" album and the Japanese cover "Kick Inside". Damn, they always show up when you don't have any money to spend...). >>It's not her voice. Her music is too fuckin' complex for the average yahoo. >>Her music has to be LISTENED to. She doesn't use "hooks" that grab the average >Aha! Signs of "elitism" from another L-H. besides IED! Ha-haaah! I turned to classical and jazz music app. 10 years ago because I was bored with the "one verse and a chorus ... and you've as good as heard the whole thing" style of mainstream music that is written to the lowest common denominator to sell the most records (to an audience that can't sit through a 6 minute video in which nothing happens, even though the video is entirely appropriate to the music!!). I guess you could call that "elitist". It's interesting that some of my favorite classical music is Holst's "The Planets" and Rimsky-Korsekov's "Scherezade" ,pieces that try to "paint a picture" with the music. When I first heard Kate's music, this same "visual" quality stood out. I have not heard anybody in the popular music field do this as well. But I guess that makes it too "artsy" for some people. Re the "Kate vs. Brahms" discussion: It's been a number of years since I was involved in performing classical music, but I seem to recall that the scores to most works were not really that complex. For example, a bass rhythm part is played by a number of instruments in harmony, instead of by a single bass guitar. But the number of different parts is not usually any greater. I'm sure there are exceptions, though... >Item Two: Kate Bush is God... KATE BUSH IS GOD!!! (There, that's better) "...I was hiding in a room in my mind" MarK T. Ganzer Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego Internet: ganzer@trout.nosc.mil UUCP: {ucbvax,hplabs}!sdcsvax!nosc!ganzer -------
Love-Hounds-request@EDDIE.MIT.EDU.UUCP (04/04/87)
Really-From: prs@oliven.ATC.OLIVETTI.COM (Philip Stephens) In article <8704030733.AA12021@trout.nosc.mil> Love-Hounds@EDDIE.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: ganzer%trout@nosc.mil (Mark T. Ganzer) > > >I turned to classical and jazz music app. 10 years ago because I was bored >with the "one verse and a chorus ... and you've as good as heard the whole >thing" style of mainstream music that is written to the lowest common >denominator to sell the most records (to an audience that can't sit through >a 6 minute video in which nothing happens, even though the video is entirely >appropriate to the music!!). I guess you could call that "elitist". Now that you mention it, that's part of what I should have mentioned in my previous posting about what I really do and don't like. I still listen to rock, off and on, but I find I have to channel hop a lot to escape the one verse and chorus drivel. Sometimes I end up giving up and listen to classical for the rest of the drive. Other than lack of content, I am bothered by lack of melody, as in The Smiths. But there are *some* intriguing story-songs, such as Ghost Train ("Card-sharking shooting each other for a comfortable seat", "He gets hard of hearing in the cabin when the weather's fine")... not KT quality, but amuzing. Likewise the one (don't know name of song or group) about "don't pull me out, I'm just floating". But on the whole, too much formula schlock. I agree with Mark, KT is good partly because she puts more story in her songs. (Otherwise, I'd rather rock were instrumental; why spoil nice guitar licks with idiotic repetitive verses?) >It's interesting that some of my favorite classical music is Holst's >"The Planets" and Rimsky-Korsekov's "Scherezade" ,pieces that try to >"paint a picture" with the music. When I first heard Kate's music, >this same "visual" quality stood out. I have not heard anybody in the >popular music field do this as well. But I guess that makes it too >"artsy" for some people. That's a good way to put it. I wonder if anyone more familiar with 'alternative' rock can come up with some other 'paints a picture' artists in addition to KT, even if not of her caliber? Open invitation. > >"...I was hiding in a room in my mind" > >MarK T. Ganzer Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego >Internet: ganzer@trout.nosc.mil UUCP: {ucbvax,hplabs}!sdcsvax!nosc!ganzer >------- "...everyone of us has a heaven inside." - Phil prs@oliveb.UUCP (Phil Stephens) {really oliven} or, if that fails: {get to 'ames' somehow, then}!oliveb!prs Mail welcome, but my mailer seldom cooperates when I try to reply.