rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (05/11/85)
[] O.K. out of the closet and at 'em. I Liked 2010. And I didn't NOTICE any horrendous mistakes. And I never expected it to be up to 2001. What could be? [<==rhetorical] Now, back in the closet. -- "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg
showard@udenva.UUCP (showard) (05/14/85)
> [] > O.K. out of the closet and at 'em. > > I Liked 2010. > > And I didn't NOTICE any horrendous mistakes. You didn't??? Well, how about this: turning Jupiter into a star means that it will never be dark on Earth, which (according to the speech at the end) means that there won't be any more wars (since obviously all wars arise directly out of fear of the dark?). I find that pretty horrendous, mistake- wise. Also, the obelisk-shaped thingies were not in any way of 1X4X9 proport- ion, and why was that such a big deal? Etc., etc., etc. > > And I never expected it to be up to 2001. What could be? [<==rhetorical] > > Now, back in the closet. GOOD! > > -- > > "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg --Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die . . .udenva!showard
demillo@uwmacc.UUCP (Rob DeMillo) (05/16/85)
> > [] > > O.K. out of the closet and at 'em. > > > > I Liked 2010. > > > > And I didn't NOTICE any horrendous mistakes. > You didn't??? Well, how about this: turning Jupiter into a star means that > it will never be dark on Earth, which (according to the speech at the end) > means that there won't be any more wars (since obviously all wars arise > directly out of fear of the dark?). I find that pretty horrendous, mistake- > wise... ...ahem...*cough* *cough* ...um, don't you think they were making an analogy? Just a thought... > Also, the obelisk-shaped thingies were not in any way of 1X4X9 proport- > ion, and why was that such a big deal? Etc., etc., etc. ...gosh...I thought they were...um, go to a math book, look up the words "golden rectangle" in the index, then get back to us... > > And I never expected it to be up to 2001. What could be? [<==rhetorical] > > > > Now, back in the closet. > GOOD! ...now...now...! > > > > -- > > > > "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg > --Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die > . . .udenva!showard -- --- Rob DeMillo Madison Academic Computer Center ...seismo!uwvax!uwmacc!demillo / =|-- = \ = [][][] "...I don't know what this thing does, but it's pointing in your direction."
rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (05/17/85)
[] 1) Jupiter ==> star ending was also in the book, don't blame the movie. 2) Yes, ending was ...not up to the rest, but compare with the ending of the immortal 2001, it was probably better - unless you think that a totally irrelevany, unintelligible ending is a good thing just so they leave the theater thinking. 3) I didn't measure the obelisk thingys. You really did? -- "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg
leeper@mtgzz.UUCP (m.r.leeper) (05/19/85)
>> Also, the obelisk-shaped thingies were not in any way of 1X4X9 >> proportion, and why was that such a big deal? Etc., etc., etc. > > ...gosh...I thought they were...um, go to a math book, look up >the words "golden rectangle" in the index, then get back to us... What the heck are you talking about? The book 2001 and the film 2010 both say the slab is a 1x4x9 rectangular prism. Neither film shows the slab this way, making it look more like an ebony door (without handle). This has nothing whatsoever to do with a Golden Rectangle. That is a two dimensonal rectangle whose length is phi times its width. phi is (1+sqroot(5))/2. Nobody has mentioned this rectangle in relation to Clarke till now. What does a Golden rectangle have to do with anything in this discussion? Mark Leeper ...ihnp4!mtgzz!leeper
showard@udenva.UUCP (showard) (05/21/85)
> [] > 1) Jupiter ==> star ending was also in the book, don't blame the movie. That's irrelevant. It was in the movie; it was stupid; therefore the movie contains a stupid plot device. > 2) Yes, ending was ...not up to the rest, but compare with the ending > of the immortal 2001, it was probably better - unless you think that > a totally irrelevany, unintelligible ending is a good thing just so they > leave the theater thinking. 2001 ended the way it should have--ambiguous, like the rest of the film. 2010, on the other hand, gave me the impression of: well, we've got all this stuff left over from the first film to clear up, and we've got all this US- USSR conflict, and we've shot 89 minutes--let's whip up a happy ending. > 3) I didn't measure the obelisk thingys. You really did? No, but I can tell the basic proportions of rectangular solids well enough to know that they were FAR too long (or too thin). > > "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg --Steve Howard, aka Mr. Blore, the DJ who would not die ...udenva!showard "You never know. Some things disguise themselves as food."
milne@uci-icse (05/22/85)
From: Alastair Milne <milne@uci-icse> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 1) Jupiter ==> star ending was also in the book, don't blame the > movie. If I remember the criticisim correctly, what was distressing was the idea that Jupiter's having banished the night ends all wars. Rather a stretch, I agree; but then, so was most of the Russian/American antagonism in the movie: not at all like the book. The book, in fact, had none of that, so it had no need to try to end it. I found nothing particularly wrong with Jupiter's igniting, given the machines that were available to do it. Jupiter was almost a star anyway. > 2) Yes, ending was ...not up to the rest, but compare with the > ending of the immortal 2001, it was probably better - unless you > think that a totally irrelevant, unintelligible ending is a good > thing just so they leave the theater thinking. How do you know 2001's ending was irrelevant, if you're not even sure what was being said? The only thing I didn't much care for in the ending of 2010 was that the performance of "Also Sprach Zarathusta" was a bit fast for its full power to be felt. I don't understand why they didn't use the same performance that 2001 did. But could anybody deny the beauty of that final scene on Europa, or (remembering 2001) miss how the whole story was starting again, for a new race on a new world? > 3) I didn't measure the obelisk thingys. You really did? Don't really see how anybody could, sitting in a theatre seat. To my eye, which was the most accurate instrument available (which isn't necessarily saying very much), the slabs looked close enough to 1:4:9. I certainly couldn't have told that they weren't. Alastair Milne
rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (05/28/85)
[] "Everybody to their own taste," said the old lady as she kissed the cow. -- "It's the thought, if any, that counts!" Dick Grantges hound!rfg