INFO-MAC-REQUEST@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA (Moderator David Gelphman...) (09/13/86)
INFO-MAC Digest Friday, 12 Sep 1986 Volume 4 : Issue 114
Today's Topics:
Re: XMODEM transfers for a DEC-20?
Re: XMODEM transfers for a DEC-20?
Re: DTR handshake in Terminal emulation
Delphi Mac Digest V2 #44
Usenet Mac Digest V2 #73
Re: Stella
Terminal Emulator 'benchmarks'
turbocharger 2.0
Setting up a new Apple Dealership
Prolog for the Mac?
MAC in a VAX
MacBall
Daisy Wheel Connections to Macs?
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Date: Wed 10 Sep 86 20:07:50-MDT
From: Frank J. Wancho <WANCHO@SIMTEL20.ARPA>
Subject: Re: XMODEM transfers for a DEC-20?
Peter,
What you want is TOPS-20:TMODEM.MAC from here. TMODEM is a
cross between the old TOPS-20 MODEM and DIAL programs by
Bill Westfield and the TELNET program. TMODEM has all the
lastest extensions to the so-called "xmodem" protocol, including
CRC or CHECKSUM, wildcard "batch mode" transfers, and 1K packet
options with fall-back and fall-up. Extensive help text is
built-in in the traditional TOPS-20 style.
Bugs to BUG-TMODEM@SIMTEL20. Send to INFO-TMODEM-REQUEST@SIMTEL20
to get on the announcements list.
--Frank
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Date: Thu 11 Sep 86 05:15:45-CDT
From: Werner Uhrig <CMP.WERNER@R20.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: XMODEM transfers for a DEC-20?
you can FTP the following files from my machine:
Ps:<Unsupported>
Macput.Exe.1;P777752 9 4608(36) 6-Mar-85 22:53:57 Cc.Galvin
Macget.Exe.1;P777752 10 5120(36) 22-May-85 14:24:16 Cc.Galvin
Modem.Exe.1;P777752 6 3072(36) 20-Jul-83 15:52:14 Cc.Clive
Ps:<Help>
Modem.Hlp.2;P777752 4 7703(7) 23-May-84 15:20:30 Cc.Clive
I know I have a help-file for Macput and MacGet also somewhere, but I can't
find it in any of the obvious places ...
[ example session follows:
R20-Werner:ftp r20
[Keeping Ftp]
< R20.UTEXAS.EDU FTP Server Process 5Z(14)-7 at Thu 11-Sep-86 05:11-CDT
Setting default transfer type to paged.
FTP>logIN (user) anonymous
Password:
< User ANONYMOUS logged in at Thu 11-Sep-86 05:11-CDT, job 39.
FTP>dir hlp:modem.*
PS:<HELP>
MODEM.HLP.2
FTP>dir uns:mac*.*
PS:<UNSUPPORTED>
MACGET.EXE.1
MACIMP.EXE.1
MACIMP.PAS.1
MACN11.EXE.1
MACPUT.EXE.1
MACY11.EXE.2
FTP>dir uns:modem.*
PS:<UNSUPPORTED>
MODEM.EXE.1
FTP>bye
FTP>q
[ note from moderator: I believe that these two messages about XMODEM
programs on a vax are really two separate issues. The first message
regards a generic XMODEM implementation on a Vax. The second is a
Mac Specific version of the XMODEM protocol which is appropriate
for sending Mac applications and text files to a Vax. Most likely
someone who is using a Mac to communicate would find the second
(MACPUT/MACGET) of these messages to be most useful. If I am incorrect
then please correct this information so that an arbitrary VAX user
will know which of the above messages is correct for him/her. DAVEG ]
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 86 13:53:00 PDT
From: <DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET>
Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.Edu
Subject: Re: DTR handshake in Terminal emulation
Someone wrote in one of the recent Delphi Digests that they needed
to do DTR/CTS handshaking in terminal emulation. I don't know for sure
whether this will solve your problem but it sounds like it:
Versaterm 2.2 and higher support a DTR hardware handshake option
instead of the standard CNTL-S/CNTL-Q, XON/XOFF handshake. It looks
like this is available only on a Mac+, but I would call them to make
sure. VersaTerm is distributed by:
Peripherals Computers & Supplies, Inc.
2457 Perkiomen Ave.
Mt. Penn, PA 19606
215-779-0522
The retail price is $99 but it is available from ComputerWare for $79.
Hope this helps,
David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM
Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET address: DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET
Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet
415-854-3300 x2538
usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologies for the fact
that I have access to this net.
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Date: 11 Sep 86 19:54:03 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #44
Delphi Mac Digest Thursday, 11 September 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 44
Today's Topics:
RE: Sector Tags (Re: Msg 12498) (4 messages)
Copy Perversion Hall of Shame (9 messages)
quickdraw 3-d (2 messages)
cable problems
RE: TML Pascal and MacIsh Stuff
Apple Announcements
NL ARTICLES WANTED!
RE: Radius FPD (Re: Msg 12544)
RE: Desk Accessory Idea... (2 messages)
RE: DeskTop Publishing Expo (Re: Msg 12607)
Fullpaint default fonts
DataFrame, the first impression. (3 messages)
Switcher/MacWrite/new ROMs
HyperDrive 2000 update
carrier detect (2 messages)
MAC SNAP MEM.
Prologs for the Mac (2 messages)
Font/DA mover problem
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Date: 12 Sep 86 11:27:20 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #73
Usenet Mac Digest Friday, 12 September 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 73
Today's Topics:
Where can I get XLISP for the Mac?
MacPlus Memory Chips
Sys Error 27 with TMON
Radio Shack Model 100 considered as extension mac.
TextEdit Bugs
Re: DTR held high from program control?
differences between macterminal 2.0 & 2.1?
Dataframe 20 noise fix
Re: Bitmap problems w/LaserWriter
Japanese word-processing software
Wanted: Computer Aided Design on a Mac
MAC+ & XEROX LASER-PRINTER
Warning about More
Warning about How to Write Macintosh Software.
Handling Word Handler Upgrade
Assimilation MIDI problem
mac-apollo info needed
printing to laser printer from program
Re: MacWorld Show impression - big screens
Re: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #41
Re: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #40
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Date: 12 Sep 86 15:52 PDT
From: Kelley.pa@Xerox.COM
Subject: Re: Stella
Stella is a tool for using the systems dynamics model building and
simulation paradigm. I found it like using a mixture of MacDraw and
MacProject only you can represent the positive and negative feedback
loops that determine the essential behavior of a system. If you are
used to DYNAMO (which I am not) you might think of it as a direct
manipulation language for writing DYNAMO code except that it is writing
Pascal.
The process of drawing your causal-interaction diagram results in all of
the variables being supplied for the equations. Then you must indicate
the explict mathematical relationships. Everything can be done with the
mouse via the use of pop up calculators. When everything is specified
you can run your simulation and watch the little animated guages
indicate the current values of all the variables. In other words it
takes drudgery out of writing the equations and actually makes the
mechanics of modeling fun.
You can zoom out and in on various parts of the causal interaction
diagram. You can bring up various graphs and watch them being drawn as
the simulation runs.
Perhaps the neatest hack is the little tool for drawing arbitrary curves
to represent relationships between two variables for which you have no
concise mathematical statement.
I talked to the authors briefly at the last Stanford MAC fest where I
first saw Stella. They apparently were trying to do it on an IBM PC
until the Mac was announced. They immediately switched to the Mac.
Some negative things:
* It is copy protected with the master disk method (ugh).
* There is no way to escape into any system code, so a simulation
cannot, for instance, stop when it notices a certain value or do
anything at all arbitrary. Only built in operations are available. I
called High-Performance Systems about that and they could give me no way
out. Apparently they did not build in any way to escape to pascal or
machine code or anything.
* You cannot stop a run in the middle, make some changes and startup
from where you left off. Although techniques exist for setting up (at
the beginning) value changes to occur in the middle of a run.
I had been wishing for a modeling tool like Stella for years. I wanted
it for use as a decision analysis tool and have lots of opinions about
what such a tool should be able to do. Many of my needs do not fit in
the systems dynamics paradigm.
Stella however is an excellant translation of the systems dynamics
paradigm onto the Macintosh and as far as I know, the only direct
manipulation language for doing any kind of mathematical system model
building on any personal computer. Their address is: High-Performance
Systems, Inc., 13 Dartmouth College Highway, Lyme, New Hampshire 03768
-- kirk
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 17:44:34 PDT
From: <DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET>
Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.Edu
Subject: Terminal Emulator 'benchmarks'
There have been some comments on Delphi (at least in the Digests) and on
Usenet about terminal emulators. I just got a chance to look at a couple of
the popular ones, namely MicroPhone and RedRyder 9.4. The program I
use regularly and will continue to use until shown something better
is VersaTerm. In looking at mPhone and RR, I can see why each has
features which may evoke a following but I noted something disturbing in
both of them, namely the fact that they both update the screen quite
slowly (relatively speaking). I am fortunate enough to have a direct
9600 baud connection to our mainframe here and it is a real test of
updating the screen in these programs. Since I am a novice at both
microphone and RR it may be that I inadvertently had some parameter
set which drastically slowed down the programs but I'm fairly sure
I gave them all a fair shot. Here are the results of typing a
short ( 6.8k) file to the screen. In all cases they were done on
the same mainframe under the same circumstances. I think the results
are valid to within 10-20%.
Program Typing Time
----------- ---------------
MicroPhone 43 sec
Red Ryder 9.4 39 sec
VersaTerm 2.3 15 sec
Versaterm updates the screen between 2-3 times faster than either
of these programs at 9600 baud!!!!!!! The reason I tested this
is because I was annoyed when I tried to use the other programs
and they seemed slow. I assume that users of these programs would
probably not notice any difference between the screen update times
at 1200 baud but if you work at higher baud rates you just might.
I have always thought VersaTerm to be one of the best programs
for my use, and this 'benchmark' firms up that feeling in my mind.
VersaTerm has tremendous features and is being updated to include
even more as time goes on. For $99 retail ($79 at Computerware) it
is a great buy.
David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM
Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET address: DAVEG@SLACVM.BITNET
Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet
415-854-3300 x2538
usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologies for the fact
that I have access to this net.
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Date: 11 Sep 86 14:28:00 EDT
From: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA>
Subject: turbocharger 2.0
Reply-to: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA>
I just got revision D of turbocharger 2.0. This corrects some problems with
the original 2.0 release. Don't overlook this product because there is now
a control panel cache! Turbo is _completely_ write-thru and noticeably
faster than the control panel cache. The cache size is dynamically resized
as you change applicatiions. If you use Fullpaint on a 512K machine you do
not have to remember to turn off the cache, turbo does it for you.
There is a new 'quick quit' option that functions in the same way that
keeper does. Quitting to thhe finder on my 512E and Macbottom 20 system
is under 1-2 seconds even though I have 1200 files on the disc.
A good setup for a 'small'
memory system is turbo with Waystation. Very fast application launches and
quitting to Waystation is 1-2 seconds.
Standard disclaimers. I have no affiliation with Nevins Microsystems except
as a satisifed customer.
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 10:54:58 PDT
From: Leslie_Ballentine%SFU.Mailnet@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA
Subject: we need a good file comparison program
Here is a suggestion for Mac programmers. There is a need for a good
file comparison program. It should handle Macwrite and MS-WORD files,
as well as TEXT (ASCII) files, and display the differences in a way
that is convenient for the user.
There is a program call TEXTDIFF, but it is inadequate for several reasons:
(1) It is designed for use only on TEXT files.
(2) It can be run on any kind of file, and is efficient in confirming
that two files are identical. But even minor differences between
non-TEXT files seem to send it into loops, and the reported differences
are not useful.
(3) This is the worst fault -- There is no way to interupt the program
while it is in operation (except, of course, the interupt buttom on
the side of the Mac). If two files have 10 differences detected one
does not want to wait for all 310 differences to be found!
I hope that a good file comparison program will soon appear.
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 16:22 ADT
From: Peter Gergely <Peter@DREA-GRIFFIN.ARPA>
Subject: Setting up a new Apple Dealership
An acquaintance of mine will be setting up a new Apple
dealership for Apple II's, and Macintosh's and has asked me to draw up a
list of the "good" software and textbooks that he should carry for
Macintosh stuff.
If there are any suggestions for Macintosh software, hardware,
textbooks, etc, that you feel strongly about please reply to me directly
at either PETER@DREA-GRIFFIN.ARPA, or GERGELY@DREA-XX with your reasons.
I will be glad to summarize for the net at some future date.
Many thanks to all who take the time to answer this vague
request.
- Peter
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 09:23:48 est
From: munnari!csadfa.oz!rap@seismo.CSS.GOV (Robert Pearson)
Subject: Re: COBOL for the MacIntosh?
> Does anyone out there know of a COBOL programming system for the MacIntosh.
> I have a 512k Mac.
I am teaching COBOL and one student tried our copy of one brand of
COBOL but I cannot recommend it as he had more problems than was to be expected
> EMail: Milburn@lbl-csa1.doe.gov
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Date: 08 Sep 86 15:56:00 EDT
From: Mike Wilson <MWILSON%CARLETON.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Prolog for the Mac?
Hello,
I'm looking for a Prolog for the Mac. I'm interested in any and
all versions be they minimal or full featured, but there are some
constraints: I was hoping to use it for teaching this semester, so
it has to be something which I can get quickly. Also, because I want
to teach with it, it has to be either cheap (so students can each
buy a copy) or have some rational site licensing mechanism for
educational institutions (...which would also make it cheap).
Thanks for the help.
.Mike
[ note from moderator: see the two articles on Prolog for the Mac
in Delphi Digest #44 archived as
[SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DELPHIV2-44.ARC DAVEG ]
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Date: Thursday, 11 Sep 1986 05:43:38-PDT
From: crowell%kryptn.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM (Jon Crowell | 223-9757 |
From: MLO5-5/T90)
Subject: MAC in a VAX
Does anyone know of SOFTWARE/HARDWARE that will let a VAXstation
run MacIntosh software directly. I seem to remember seeing a package
somewhere but can't remember.
Thanks,
Jon
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 86 11:22:25 edt
From: cperry@mitre.ARPA (Chris Perry)
Subject: MacBall
I am trying to locate the name, address & phone of the manufacturer
or distributor of McBall or MacBall, a track ball for the Mac+.
Thanks in advance
Chris
(cperry@mitre.arpa)
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 86 17:05:33 edt
From: Greg Duckworth <mit-erl!gld@EDDIE.MIT.EDU>
Subject: Daisy Wheel Connections to Macs?
There is still some demand for connecting daisy-wheel
type printers to Macs. Does anyone have a summary of
which word processing programs support which daisy-wheel
type printers? Even anecdotal evidence will help!
gld%mit-erl.uucp@mit-eddie.arpa
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