INFO-MAC-REQUEST@SUMEX-AIM.ARPA (Moderator David Gelphman...) (12/06/86)
INFO-MAC Digest Friday, 5 Dec 1986 Volume 5 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: TextEdit with Tabs Re: LSP or Borland's Turbo Pascal? Loading Random Segments Disk Inserted events in TransSkel next Macs from Apple rumors from Usenet Demo Tex Previewer demo of shanghai, a game for the Mac DA-DEFAULTFONT.HQX Re: death knell for the 512E? Death Knell for 512E Premature Mac/MIDI Responses Patch for SpaceWar Re: megaroids Textures bug? revisited SCSI Tape drives MacWrite and HFS... Desktop Pattern Usenet Mac Digest V2 #99 Delphi Mac Digest V2 #64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 86 22:49 PST From: PUGH%ZAP.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA Subject: TextEdit with Tabs So someone on this net was playing with that MacTutor article about extending the capabilities of TextEdit to include tabs. You know who you are! Is it at all worthwhile to do that patching at the System level instead of at the application level? Where would TE tabs be useful? For that matter, how does the PTCH resource work so that you can do them at a system level? You can see that I don't really see a need for TE tabs in the Mac, although it certainly would make it simple to do a fairly standard text editor with very little work (aside from patching the TE routines). Does anyone care to point out to me where TE tabs would be useful in existing applications? Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 10:50:29 est From: rs4u#@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Siegel) Subject: Re: LSP or Borland's Turbo Pascal? I haven't dealt with Turbo, but I have heard some things, and I have some comments. -- Apparently, Turbo doesn't have the slick project management that LSP does. This is a definite drawback. -- As for the "multitasking", what's the point? The turnaround in LSP is so fast, it really doesn't matter whether I can edit while running or not, since I can simply quit, fix bug, recompile, re-run in seconds. It makes no sense to be compiling something while running another, because it'll just slow both steps down, and who needs it? -- I use Lightspeed Pascal, and I almost never see a bomb box. when the debugging is turned on, any system errors are traced to the lines where they occur. I don't have to fight with Tmon or Macsbug. If I had to choose again, I'd still choose Lightspeed Pascal. --Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 86 09:01 EDT From: Joe Mastroianni <JDM%SMVL%rca.com@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Loading Random Segments And so, you the jury must consider my bewildering story: My program, written in the Lightspeed flavor of Macintosh C, is running. The program opens a file's resource fork. The program then calls a routine in a different CODE segment. The Segment Loader loads the CODE segment from the most recently opened resource fork (which isnt MY programs's). Random code executes. The Mac Bombs in a ROM routine called _FontMetrics. The moral of the story is: I have to call UseResFile(MYprogramsFileRefNum); and SetVol(0L,MYprogramsVolume); everytime a procedure calls a routine that's not in the SAME CODE segment. So, am I guilty of a grievous error? Am I being overly naive to the ways of the Macintosh? This CANT be right. Who invented liquid soap? Bewildered Joe ------------------------------ From: hplabs!felix!fritz!rlong@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Disk Inserted events in TransSkel I just downloaded the new TransSkel recently posted to mod.mac.binaries. I looked at the code to process disk-inserted events as I was interested in putting something similar in my project. The code looks like: case diskEvt: DILoad(); DIBadMount(...); DIUnload(); break; I thought (after reading the phonebook IM) that it was too late to call DILoad when the disk event occurs, because the system disk may have been ejected at that time. If you have a one-drive mac, no hard disk, I expect this to happen: 1/ You eject the system disk. 2/ You insert a blank disk. 3/ Disk event. 4/ Appli calls DILoad. 5/ System ejects blank disk and request system disk. 6/ System loads DI package. 7/ Appli calls DIBadMount. 8/ User gets the disk-unreadable dialog and clicks Initialize. 9/ System disk, still in drive, is initialized!! Am I wrong? Daniel Ranson. Centre National d'Etudes des Telecommunications ...!seismo!mcvax!inria!crcge1!crcge2!ranson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 11:19:23 PST From: <DAVEG@slacvm.bitnet> Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: next Macs from Apple rumors from Usenet I picked this off of usenet news and I thought those who don't have access to the usenet digests would be interested. I added a few comments at the end that I welcome response to. >For what it's worth, this info is from the latest "MacWeek" from the >MacUnderground: > >Next year there will be three Mac computers, the MacPlus, Aladdin, and Paris. >The MacPlus will remain the same except that the retail price will drop to >$1795. The MacPlus and the HD 20 SCSI drive will be bundled together for >$2495. > >Aladdin is the code name for Apple's $2795 68020 Mac with double 800k drives. >It will look like the MacPlus and it will be Apple's last upgrade ($899) for >the Mac. It will have two slots on the motherboard and the keyboard will have >MS DOS-like function keys. Apple will bundle the Aladdin with HD 20 SCSI for >$3495. The insides should have a 16MHz, 68020 processor, a 68881 math >co-processor, an 80dpi screen, and an option for 1.6MB double 3.5" drives. >Compatibility is keeping Apple from a certain January debut. Memory size was >not mentioned. > >Paris is Apple's $4-7K SUN/AT/VAX killer. It will have a 68020/68881 processor >package, 1.6MB 3.5" floppy drives, 80 dpi screen, 8 slots on the motherboard, >and will use a VME bus. The basic Paris (no hard disk) will sell for $3995 >in March. The Paris Workstation will sell for $5495 and will have standard >40 MB internal HD and a Radius-like full page screen (March or later). At >$6995 you can have a color Paris. Memory size was not mentioned. > >Compatibility is the name of the game with Paris. Apple wants as many third >party boards and as much software as possible. This system CAN support >milti-tasking, so it has to be as "open" and standard as possible. > >The article indicates that the Mac 512E is officially off the Apple price list >and has not been made for quite a while. > >Comments anyone? >Bob S. >Disclaimer: The above is as reported on the MacUnderground. I am only a >subscriber and know as much as you do about the new Macs. I've got some comments...first about the Alladin: If Apple can do put a 60020, a 68881, a second 800K drive and give 2 'slots' for $900 then just about EVERYONE I know will spring for it. I think that is an unrealistic expectation, especially considering the $/value in previous upgrades was not NEARLY as good. One interesting way Apple can cut down the price of the upgrades could be by unsnapping the memory from the current Mac+ motherboard and plugging it into the new motherboard. I'm not certain about the speed of the chips, this may not be possible but it would be cute and allow us a cheaper upgrade. I hope we are in for such a pleasant surprise. Regarding what I think they SHOULD do with such a machine, here is the MINIMUM: 68020 with a SLOT for the 68881. Since these chips are currently expensive even in quanity, putting both as standard would greatly increase the cost to the consumer. Give us an option this time though! If you can also give us an option for a hardware memory management chip in this machine then do so. Also necessary for the minimum upgrade should be some way to attach a different screen to the Mac. The current add on screens work, but I think an Apple 'approved' solution is necessary. I think giving the screen option ONLY to the slotted Mac is a mistake. With the fast processor, memory management, SCSI, and large screen, the current Mac audience is likely to be VERY happy. Most people don't need lots of SLOTS, just the flexibility to add a screen (maybe I'll take that comment back when I see the amazing things Macs with slots will be doing in 2 years!). Back to my original comment...if the above rumors about Alladin are correct then here is my $900! As far as the validity of the above rumors it seems like two things damage the credibility of them. I find it hard to believe that there will really be a keyboard with function keys on the Alladin. The second more serious problem is that it seems almost certain that the bus for the 'Paris' computer will be NuBus, not VMEbus. That in particular makes me wonder whether I should believe any of the other info. One thing I definately believe is that the 512E is not going to be an Apple product once the new products are announced and the current stock is sold. David Gelphman BITNET address: DAVEG@SLACVM Bin #88 SLAC ARPANET adres: DVEGSAVMBITET Stanford, Calif. 94305 UUCP address: ...psuvax1!daveg%slacvm.bitnet 415-854-3300 x2538 usual disclaimer #432 applies: my employer apologies for the fact that I have access to this net. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 08:02:30 est From: jonathan@mitre-gateway.arpa (Jonathan Leblang) Subject: Demo Tex Previewer [Share and enjoy...] part 1 of 5: a MacWrite document containing some info on TeX Preview. part 2: TeX Preview part 1 part 3: TeX Preview part 2 part 4: DVI file part 1 part 5: DVI file part 2 Rick Jansen {seismo,decvax,philabs}!mcvax!sara70!rick [ note from moderator: This is a demo of a TeX previewer. It allows you to preview the dvi files which are included with the previewer but no others. Even though it is limited in its abilities, I felt that many people would be interested. DAVEG ] [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DEMO-TEXPREVIEW-PART1.HQX [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DEMO-TEXPREVIEW-PART2.HQX [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DEMO-TEXPREVIEW-PART3.HQX [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DEMO-TEXPREVIEW-PART4.HQX [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DEMO-TEXPREVIEW-PART5.HQX DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 18:35:08 PST From: <DAVEG@slacvm.bitnet> Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: demo of shanghai, a game for the Mac I am posting this for the author who had problems getting it to the net directly. DAVEG This is a demonstration version of Shanghai. Shanghai is a captivating strategy game played with 144 Mah-Jongg tiles arranged in a dragon-shaped pyramid. Players search for matching pairs of tiles, and remove them according to a few simple rules. The goal of the game is to remove all 144 tiles. Though easy to learn, Shanghai offers a continuing challenge. The tiles are randomized for each game, so every time you play you must work out a new strategy. At any point in a game, many of the tiles are hidden from view, so each move involves luck as well as skill. The Help menu lets you backup a move, see all possible moves, and so on. In addition to solitaire play, the game includes a tournament variation, in which any number of players can try their hands at the same arrangement of tiles. Another variation lets two players take turns finding moves in the same arrangement, under a time limit; the player who finds the most moves wins. The accompanying application is a demonstration version of Shanghai. It contains one arrangement of tiles--a single game to whet your appetite. Shanghai was reviewed in the October and November issues of MacUser, and a recent issue of MacWorld. (It's also available in Apple ][, C64, Amiga, Atari ST, and IBM PC versions.) UnBinhex the file, then unPackit. Enjoy! -Brodie Lockard I.ISIMO@LEAR.STANFORD.EDU [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>GAME-SHANGHAI.HQX DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 86 15:01:46 PST From: <DAVEG@slacvm.bitnet> Reply-to: DAVEG%SLACVM.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu Subject: DA-DEFAULTFONT.HQX This was fetched from usenet news: This is a desk accesory that will set the default font to whatever font you want till you reboot or run the DA again to change it. Has worked flawlessly here on all apps and systems so far. It is real handy for programs like Excell that constantly default to Geneva every time that a new chart, worksheet or whatever is opened and you want it in a laser font. It gives you a font selection menu and tells you what the current default font is, displayed in that font. The next application launched will use the font you select. The source files are included as well, in MDS format, along with a clear and concise documentation file explaining how and what it does. Written by Jim Hamilton, one of our mac enthusiast engineers...enjoy.. John VanMunster [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DA-DEFAULTFONT.HQX DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: death knell for the 512E? Date: Thu, 04 Dec 86 08:39:59 EST From: Kevin J. Fong <kf@mitre-bedford.ARPA> This is in reply to the earlier posting about Apple plans to drop the 512E. Bouldin writes: > Yesterdays Wa. Post had a 1/2 page ad offering half off on peripherals > purchased only with a 512E, up to a maximum rebate of $250 from Apple. I > have been wondering for some time when Apple will drop the 512E, and I think > this is a move to clear the shelves of inventory. The 50% off on peripherals up to $250 with the purchase of an Apple system has been an ongoing marketing campaign since early November. Although that computer store may have been advertising only the 512E, this offer does apply to all Apple systems including the Apple IIs and the Mac Plus. I have read and heard, and believe that Apple's strategy has been to push the MacPlus as a functional business (desktop publishing, engineering, etc) computer, the 512E as a high-end home and high-school/college educational computer, and the Apple IIs being marketed as lower-end home and grade school educational computers (although the IIGS seems like it could be high-end to me, but that's another upgrade story). As far as I can tell, the new Macs will be even higher-end business and engineering machines. As Christmas is approaching, Apple is doing what all companies are doing; trying to sell to the gift-buying and money-generous Christmas customer for home use, just as when school started in September, Apple was advertising the II line for the student all over the place. To some degree, the MacPlus is too expensive (at $2199 list and going rate of $1399 plus the additional purchase of $500 worth of peripherals) to be a reasonable Christmas purchase except to the wealthy. It seems that most people will buy the Imagewriter II, which is listed at $625, so the additional cost is really $625, which puts the MacPlus over $2000 even with the discounts. To compete with the Commodore Amiga and Atari STs for home purchases, Apple has to really push the 512E (going rate around here is $999 plus the additional $500 ($625) peripheral purchase). It may be true that Apple plans to drop the 512E in the future, but I don't think this promotion has anything to do with it. Actually, I don't believe Apple can afford to drop the 512E for some time, because even with the introduction of the IIGS, the Macintosh is now Apple's bread-and-butter machine. If Apple plans to compete with Commodore and Atari, and continue to push the Mac interface (done in the true Mac way, not the IIGS or Gem/PC method), it will need the 512E. Even if Apple can introduce the new Mac machines at the present MacPlus list price and discount the MacPlus to the 512E list price, the dropping cost of computers and increased competition may require that Apple still keep the 512E at about $1000 list. To some degree, I think the promotion is working. People around here are talking about the soon-to-be-here IIGS (there are many IIe owners looking to upgrade) but that leads into a discussion on the new interface and the Mac, and this "sale" as a good time to make a purchase of something. By the way, Apple's stock price has surged to $42.75/share from about $15 during 1985. So someone must think (fantasy or reality?) they're doing the right thing. Also, read in the PC Week rumor column that Apple is gearing up its Fremont production facility to make 200 "Paris" machines (68020, 4M RAM, Hard Disk, 13-inch monitor) for its developers. Anyone else hear anything? Kevin Fong kf@mitre-bedford * I have no Apple stock - and I wish I had! And I have no other connection, other than I am a happy owner of a MacPlus and know of many others. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 11:30:39-1000 From: uhccux!david@nosc.ARPA (David Lassner) Subject: Death Knell for 512E Premature >Date: 2 Dec 86 13:51:00 EST >From: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA> >Subject: death knell for the 512E?? >Reply-to: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA> > >Yesterdays Wa. Post had a 1/2 page ad offering half off on peripherals >purchased only with a 512E, up to a maximum rebate of $250 from Apple. I have >been wondering for some time when Apple will drop the 512E, and I think >this is a move to clear the shelves of inventory. Comments, confirmations, >or rebuttals anyone? This is part of a standard Apple discount program which applies to Plus's as well as 512E's. Your dealer may be using it to try to unload 512E's, but Apple will give the rebate regardless of the system purchased. David Lassner, University of Hawaii Computing Center, 808/948-7351 UUCP: {ihnp4|ucbvax|seismo|dcdwest}!sdcsvax!nosc!uhccux!david ARPA: uhccux!david@nosc PLATO: david lassner/remotep/pca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 86 09:08 EDT From: Joe Mastroianni <JDM%SMVL%rca.com@RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Mac/MIDI Responses A hearty thanks to everyone who answered my MAC MIDI question. Here's a posting of the results for those who may also be wondering about Mac/MIDI hardware and software. Thanks Again, Joe -- From: HENRY::IN%"dlc%a%LANL.ARPA%relay.cs.net@rca.com" 24-NOV-1986 21:39 To: jdm%smvl%rca.com@relay.cs.net Subj: Re: MIDI Interfaces Concertware+MIDI did not come with a hardware interface when I bought it. I have both an Opcode (which doesn't work on IN to the Mac, but I only paid $5 for it, and it may be defective) and an Assimilation Process (the marketing company went out of business, but the OEM still sells the MIDI interface, maybe still under the Assimilation Process name) which works for the MIDI but the auto-serial-pass-on to a MODEM has not worked for me. Musicians were posting notes to news that Opcode was the best because it has 3 selectable clock rates, but AP worked better for me. If you have a Mac+, you need some way to adapt to the 9-pin D-subminiature and some way to get +5 and/or +12 to the correct pin(s). Musicians also say that Mark of the Unicorn products are better than Concertware+MIDI, but the MOTD products (Professional Composer and some playback utility) cost several times what C+M costs, so I have my doubts about relative doubt. My complaint about C+M is that recording chords from a keyboard is difficult. It has to be done one voice to a pass, and it is very difficult to synchronize the note timing. The notes can be editted, but since the editting is done on a standard staff, scrolling and redrawing is slow. -- I have outlined below some of the MIDI interfaces that are currently available for the MAC. If you have a MAC+ you will have to find out which products support the 12 Volt supply line. I don't have any information on that. Manufacturer Product Connection Price Ports ----- ------- ---------- ----- ----- Assimilation MIDI Composer Printer/Modem $89.00 MIDI in, MIDI out Music Works MacMIDI Star Printer/Modem $79.00 MIDI in, 3 MIDI out " " MacMIDI 32 Printer/Modem $149.00 2 MIDI in, 2 MIDI out " " MacMIDI Sync Printer/Modem $249.00 2<=>2,drum&FSK sync i/o " " MacMIDI SMPTE Printer/Modem $349.00 Same as Sync,SMPTE i/0 Opcode MidiMAC Printer/Modem $125.00 1<=>1;500kHz,1 or 2MHz Passport MH-02M Serial $249.00 1<>1;drum&tape i/o,rs232 I hope this gets you going in the right direction. I cannot tell you which of these products is best suited for your needs, but if you're not planning to expand and you just want to hook up the board to the MAC then Assimilations MIDI Composer or Music Works MacMIDI Star will definately get the job done. I've heard that Opcode's MidiMAC is a nice piece of hardware but I've never seen it operate and I don't have any reliability info on it. Have fun!! Matt P.S. Who invented liquid soap?! The same person who invented liquid detergent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 86 21:05:57 PST From: wetter@tybalt.caltech.edu (Pierce T. Wetter) Subject: Patch for SpaceWar Do you know what the patches are for spacewar to get it to work on the mac+? I tried the generic one but it didn't work ( generic=patch all the buffer addresses to their macplus equivalents). Thanks in advance wetter@tybalt.caltech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 10:21:47 est From: mayerk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Kenneth Mayer) Subject: Re: megaroids Thank you for your help, I have discovered the problem and the solution: Megaroids does not like the cache [sigh] At ngp the file mac/files.hex/megaroids.hqx _is_ the patched version of megaroids and runs perfectly on my 512e, AS LONG AS I REMEMBER TO TURN THE CACHE OFF. Why this is so, I don't know, but if any one else is having problems, perhaps a notice should be included in the message portion of the binhex file. Ken. /|---------------------------------------------------------------|\ / | ARPA: mayerk@eniac.upenn.seas.EDU | \ | | USnail: Kenneth Mayer | | | | University of Pennsylvania, Moore School of Eng.| | - | 305 S. 41st St | - | | Philadelphia, PA 19104 | | | | GENIE: MAYERK | | \ | CIS: [73537,3411] | / \|---------------------------------------------------------------|/ "It's a sky-blue sky, "The future is a place, Satellites are out tonite, About 70 miles east of here, Let X = X..." Where it's lighter..." ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 86 13:23:00 EST From: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA> Subject: Textures bug? revisited Reply-to: <bouldin@ceee-sed.ARPA> A couple of days ago I reported an apparent bug in TeXtures 0.92 when trying to use the letter format from Appendix E of the TeXbook. Well, this is the bug isolated down to a fragment of TeX input code. The source of the bug in the letter format from the TeXbook (pg. 407): %THIS DOESN'T WORK % \def\closing{\beginlinemode\getclosing} {\obeylines\gdef\getclosing #1 % NOTE THE 4 TRAILING SPACES!!! #2 {#1\nobreak\bigskip #2\nobreak \bigskip\bigskip\bigskip % space for signature \def {\endgraf\nobreak}}} %THIS WORKS % \def\closing{\beginlinemode\getclosing} {\obeylines\gdef\getclosing #1% NOTE _NO_ TRAILING SPACES #2 {#1\nobreak\bigskip #2\nobreak \bigskip\bigskip\bigskip %space for signature \def {\endgraf\nobreak}}} Note that either version of this TeX code works fine with the VAX implementation of TeX. I don't know if the VAX is allowing a TeX 'extension' or if this is a bug in TeXtures. Again, any TeX wizards out there who know if TeXtures SHOULD get indigestion over the 4 trailing spaces?? I am confused about _why_ the spaces preceeding argument #2 don't matter, while the trailing spaces after argument #1 apparently do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 08:31:19 AST From: PAUL%Acadia.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU (Paul Steele - Acadia Subject: SCSI Tape drives Has anyone had any experience with SCSI tape drives on the MAC. I am mainly interested in the 20 Meg versions, and would like to know backup speed and ease of use. I know a second hard disk is less expensive, but it does not allow the same type of 'archiving' possible with using tapes. Please reply directly and if I get enough information, I'll summarize it for the net. ==> Paul@Acadia.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 11:06:43 est From: rs4u#@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Siegel) Subject: MacWrite and HFS... I am using a 512K Mac, old Roms, 800K external drive, System 3.2, Finder 5.3, Hard Disk 20 1.0. I have a HFS system disk (i boot with the HD 20 Startup first, then switch), with Macwrite in a folder. Whenever I quit MacWrite, the files "UndoFile" and "ScrapFile" are left in the folder along with MacWrite. I know these are temporary files, but how come MacWrite doesn't get rid of them, as it does with MFS? Is this yet another bug in my Ram-based HFS? I suspect so.... Could some kind soul PLEASE Binhex the latest Hard Disk 20 file and Mail it to me? Please? *Whimper* Richard M. Siegel Arpanet: rs4u@andrew.cmu.edu (the only way to get to me!) Disclaimer --> Disclaimers are bogus. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 86 10:37 EST From: HALLETT JEFFREY A <HALLETT@ge-crd.arpa> Subject: Desktop Pattern I was wondering if someone knew of a public domain applic. that allowed one to take a Macpaint image and make it the Desktop pattern, permanently (until replaced by something else, I mean). I know PBI has a utility out that does it, but I don't want to spend $30 on something so trivial. Is there a PD one to do it? If so and you have it, could you send it to me please? Thanx much, JAH [ note from moderator: There are two such programs in the archives. STARTUPDESK.HQX is an INIT which is installed and uses a single MacPaint document to provide the startup screen. The other, DA-BACKDROP.HQX is installed as a DA I believe and randomly chooses a Macpaint picture from those available in the system folder to use as the startup screen so you won't get bored. DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 86 21:55:36 EST From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V2 #99 Usenet Mac Digest Wednesday, 3 December 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: Re: Wordperfect drives Apple LaserWriter Re: Should we support 64K ROMs anymore? Re: MacWrite on 68020 SuperPaint or Cricket Draw Re: PostScript dump from SuperPaint MacDraw, 64K ROM and LW+ A DA for making up fonts ?? video digitizers for mac? Jasmine Direct Drive 20 1987 Macs According to MacUnderground Re: Use of IM Unisoft Unix on the Apple Lisa computer Re: SuperPaint or Cricket Draw Question about Microsoft Word ETH Modula 2 launching Re: Some Floppies Won't Boot (Delphi 2.62) please forward to delphi Re: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #61 [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>USENETV2-99.ARC DAVEG ] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 86 13:47:47 EST From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #64 Delphi Mac Digest Thursday, 4 December 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 64 Today's Topics: Traveling DFrame... MacinTalk patches RE: XP20 RE: Network RE: problems with Chooser RE: 800K MFS volume Koala out of business? (2 messages) RE: Ghost windows RE: MPW observations printer driver skel? RE: Russian fonts Re: Should we support 64K ROMs anymore? Re: Posting Menus Re: Disk drives deals too good (3 messages) RE: boot problem (2 messages) RE: Mac user interface (6 messages) RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #19 (2 messages) DataFrames and performance Opening the HD20SC RE: Should we support 64K ROMs anymore? Startup (3 messages) [ archived as [SUMEX-AIM.Stanford.EDU]<INFO-MAC>DELPHIV2-64.ARC DAVEG ] ------------------------------ End of INFO-MAC Digest **********************