SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU.UUCP (01/24/87)
Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, 24 January 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 6
Today's Topics:
RE: Cricket Draw (4 messages)
RE: File Transfers To/From IBM System 38
Dialing Into AppleTalk?
RE: Design Tools (2 messages)
RE: Better screen fonts (3 messages)
questions (3 messages)
RE: Icons, Bundles, and Friendly Application
RE: ChipWits availability
Macintosh 100 (Delphi digest V3, #2)
Mac+ to DMP 105 Printer or Other Printer
Re: resources in other files in the blessed folder
RE: Re: Program control of the MacPlus d
QUED 1.3
Ada
RE: LaserWriter labels (6 messages)
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From: MACINTOUCH
Subject: RE: Cricket Draw (Re: Msg 16491)
Date: 17-JAN 09:55 Creative Pursuits
Is MacDraw's one advantage over Cricket Draw that it can do multiple pages per
document?
Ric
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From: MOUSEKETEER
Subject: RE: Cricket Draw (Re: Msg 16506)
Date: 17-JAN 23:51 Creative Pursuits
Ric,
Well, that would be overlooking MacDraw's advantage over CricketDraw in the
"Fun and Games With Fonts" department, and MacDraw's "Now You See It,
Now You Don't Object" department, and MacDraw's "Let's Play With Fedit To Get
It To Work" department...grin.
Depending on the document, you could set CricketDraw up at 25% reduction,
getting a 30"x40" working area, and cut and paste the items into multiple
windows for printout...not an elegant reply to MacDraw's multi-page capability,
but I'd trust it just about as much as booting MacDraw.
Don't get me wrong...I've had MacDraw from the day it was out, and love it...
as a concept, kinda. As a program, well.....
Alf
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From: JIMH
Subject: RE: Cricket Draw (Re: Msg 16535)
Date: 18-JAN 01:04 Creative Pursuits
Alf, we use macdraw for a lot of software documentation. Other than
its problem with fonts i have had almost no complaints about it (oh
yea and you have toturn off grid when grouping objects) anyway we have
produced several thousand documents with it and while cricet draw will
be nice its lack of multipage capability is really bad as we do a lot
of big docs and wall paper the walls with them (grin). anyway, i
think draw gets a bum rap as it is Much!!! better than doing it by
hand which is my definition of a sucessful program (especially when
you dont have any other choice) jim
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From: MOUSEKETEER
Subject: RE: Cricket Draw (Re: Msg 16539)
Date: 18-JAN 14:37 Creative Pursuits
I'm probably a bit hard on MacDraw, agreed. I've just never learned to deal
with the group of problems it has had since introduction. Over the last year
I've tried to use it for perhaps a dozen projects, and have never been
satisfied with the results/or given up trying to get it to work.
I can see that doing lots of multiple page docs would endear Draw
to you...even with silly workarounds, it's worth it for that. It's one
capability I've never needed and tend to overlook. For a single page doc,
it *is* sometimes easier just to do it by hand.
Alf
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From: BWD
Subject: RE: File Transfers To/From IBM System 38 (Re: Msg 16367)
Date: 17-JAN 12:11 Business Mac
One thing that I forgot to say about the KMW product that is interesting is
this.
To download from the 38 to a IBM PC, we have a program and PC HARDWARE to make
the IBM look like a 5251 terminal. The people at KMW could not add hardware to
the Mac so they had to use Mac software and they did. It just proves that the
Mac has all you really need to get a job done. They couldn't do it on the PC
without the add-on card but they can on the Mac!
Let's hear it for the Mac software developers!
Brian
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From: BWD
Subject: Dialing Into AppleTalk?
Date: 17-JAN 12:02 Telecommunicating
I downloaded from a local BBS a Packit file which contains an
InterMail user document(s) and an DA called Async AppleTalk. It
allows you to use the DA to dial up an AppleTalk network and use the
InterMail application. It doesn't tke much thinking to realize that
this means you could also dial up the network and use the file server,
printers and whatever else you have on the network. WOW! This thing
has potential. I tried it and it does work, but was slow (still in
development?). I do not know what the computer is that has to be on
the other end (to receive the commands from the modem and resend them
into the network--if that is how it is done?)... yet!
I tried to find the stuff up inthe DataBases but could not. If somebody else
wants to see it, I might be able to upload it (never done an upload before).
Mac happenings seem to be happening faster and faster!
Brian
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From: JDSCHNITZER
Subject: RE: Design Tools (Re: Msg 16264)
Date: 17-JAN 16:32 Programming
I recall a product called ANATOOL that showed at August's Mac Expo in
Boston. Unfortunately, I don't remember the company name. They were
located on the west coast and the sales director (total sales staff)
was Leslie Schneider (sp?). The package was a single user product,
but Leslie said a future version would allow a shared database. They
were asking $700 quantity one... a demo disk would be about $35.
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From: JIMH
Subject: RE: Design Tools (Re: Msg 16519)
Date: 17-JAN 18:43 Programming
Company name is Abvent, i dont have the phone number here. We bought
a copy, while it is somewhat limited, it is much better than doing
Dataflows by hand. The checks ect that it does turn out to be quite
usful. they gave us a free 30 day demo of the actu al package before
we bought. I would suggest anyone thinking about buying it should try
to get the same deal. A new version is just out and i havnt seen it
yet so i cant comment on weather it is anyh better. jim
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From: BILLS
Subject: RE: Better screen fonts (Re: Msg 16488)
Date: 17-JAN 17:27 Business Mac
The current version of Font/DA Mover (3.2) handles NFNTs just fine.
You have to create the font as an NFNT though, FDAM has no provision
for changing a regular FONT into an NFNT.
I suspect the easiest way would be to copy the font(s) you want as NFNTs to
a separate file with FDAM, and then use Fedit Plus to change all FONT chars
in the file to NFNT. Then use FDAM to move them into a new sys.
Bill (this is untried) S
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From: MACINTOUCH
Subject: RE: Better screen fonts (Re: Msg 16520)
Date: 17-JAN 19:04 Business Mac
Bill, what *is* an "NFNT?"
Ric
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From: DSACHS
Subject: RE: Better screen fonts (Re: Msg 16523)
Date: 17-JAN 22:36 Business Mac
The font manager treats NFNT resources exactly as if they were FONT resources
including looking for an NFNT if there is no FONT with the proper id. The
advantage is that other resource manager will not find NFNTs when looking for
FONTs so that the menus do not get cluttered.
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From: JIMH
Subject: questions
Date: 17-JAN 18:56 Creative Pursuits
I have a couple of problems perhaps someone could shed some light on?
The first is with the Radius big screen. How do i get switcher to
work with it? Manual says to turn off animation and sceen save but i
still get a id = 3 bomb. Tech support from Radius suggested Version
5.1 of switcher but i have not heard of a 5.1 version?
Second question has to do with fonts. We built a macwrite doc with a
set of downloadable laser fonts. Then because the sceen font looked
bad we removed the old laserfont, and replaced it with the original
bitmap font (in the system). We then moved the laser font to a new id
by loading it using Fond/DA mover (3.2) as it says in the manual the
new font is renumbers and so i ought to have both fonts available.
When i open the macwrite doc, no font is selected in the font menu,
though the text is printed in the bitmap version of the font
correctly. If i select the text then select the font, the text turns
to trash. ANyone got any ideas why?
thanks jim
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From: MACINTOUCH
Subject: RE: questions (Re: Msg 16522)
Date: 18-JAN 11:03 Creative Pursuits
Jim,
This doesn't address much of your message, but the latest Switcher I have
is 5.01. 5.1 seems to have more functionality, including the QuickSwitch
feature that Microsoft is advertising for Word 3.0.
Ric
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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: Finder 5.4a2 questions
Date: 17-JAN 20:35 Network Digests
>From: hunt@rsts32.dec.com (Phil Hunt)
>Subject: Finder 5.4a2 questions
>2) The File menu has a new option 'Get privileges *P'.....
The copy of Finder 5.4 I saw (dated August 86? I've forgotten) immediately
crashed and burned when told to do anything useful. I surmised that the
'Get Privileges' would have something to do with running multiple Macs on a
file sharing network. It strikes me that something like kernel mode privs
would be handled by using ResEdit on Finder flags and would not apper on a
Finder menu in any case because it would be too esoteric, whereas network
file access privileges would be a legitimate user controllable item.
peter "In any context, half of all references
PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: Icons, Bundles, and Friendly Application (Re: Msg 16525)
Date: 17-JAN 20:41 Network Digests
>From: herbw@midas.UUCP (Herb Weiner)
>Subject: Icons, Bundles, and Friendly Applications
>Date: 13 Jan 87 17:53:03 GMT
>Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
>1. Is it possible to set up ICON, FREF, and BNDL resources in the
> application such that both the application's icons and the MacPaint
> icon will be installed in the desktop file?
>2. Would I be infringing on the MacPaint copyright by including a
> copy of the MacPaint document icon in my application?
The best authority for question number 2 is Apple Licensing at 408-973-4667.
My guess would be that the MacPaint icon itself is not copyrighted (though it
could be trademarked!?!)
I'd recommend that you create a tiny application that you can make look like
MacPaint and have it display a dialog explaining that MacPaint is needed to
view the document and giving instructions about dragging your appl to the trash
if the user has MacPaint.
peter "In any context, half of all references
PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
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From: MOUSEKETEER
Subject: RE: ChipWits availability
Date: 17-JAN 23:52 Network Digests
To: kc@rna.UUCP (Kaare Christian)
Subject: ChipWits availability
Organization: Rockefeller Neurobiology
>Does anyone know where I could buy a copy of the ChipWits program?
Hi Kaare,
Last I heard, ChipWits was out of distribution because the authors decided
it wasn't worth the bother to make it Mac+ compatible. At least, that was
the story several people inquiring on upgrades got from BrainPower as Mac+'s
began to appear.
The program bombs relentlessly on a Mac+. Too bad, as it was a very nice
program to teach the concepts of programming to kids, etc.
If you have a non-plussed Mac to run it on, drop a note and we'll arrange
a trade of some sort...people around here say I could use some new neurons.
Alf Qwerty
The Mouseketeer Newsletter
P.O. Box 19030, #150
Houston, TX 77224
"I yam what I yam." - Popeye
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From: PEABO
Subject: Macintosh 100 (Delphi digest V3, #2) (Re: Msg 16526)
Date: 17-JAN 21:05 Network Digests
>From: ephraim@wang.UUCP (pri=8 Ephraim Vishniac x76659 ms 014 590)
>Subject: Macintosh 100 (Delphi digest V3, #2)
>Date: 13 Jan 87 14:04:09 GMT
>Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA
>I am amazed and disgusted that anyone would even considering honoring
>First Byte for anything.
My own impression of the Macintosh 100 awards in general was that the
selection was far from insightful. Inasmuch as one of the major sponsors
was Redgate Publishing (of Macintosh Buyer's Guide fame) I suspect that
the criterion was "commercial success". There has never been much choice
in the area of Macintosh synthetic speech, so it's easy to see how First
Byte could rank high in the list.
peter "In any context, half of all references
PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
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From: PEABO
Subject: Mac+ to DMP 105 Printer or Other Printer (Re: Msg 16526)
Date: 17-JAN 21:05 Network Digests
>From: frank@dciem.UUCP (Frank Evans)
>Subject: Mac+ to DMP 105 Printer or Other Printers???? HELP!!!!
>Date: 14 Jan 87 22:22:01 GMT
>Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada
>I would like to know if anyone has been able to interface the Radio
>Shack dot matrix printer, DMP 105, to a Mac or Mac+. In fact has
>anyone been able to interface any other simple cheap dot matrix
>printers with a Mac. It is not crucial for me to be able to do
>graphics vs. just draft text.
SoftStyle (Honolulu, HI) is the place to check for foreign printer drivers.
You may have better luck if you determine the name of the original manufacturer
of the Radio Shack printer (examine the manual carefully for clues or ask
your Radio Shack dealer). The important things are the graphics resolution
in each direction and the idiosyncratic escape sequences that drive the
printer. (I think the definition of printer escape sequences is "idiosyn-
cratic".)
peter "In any context, half of all references
PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
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From: PEABO
Subject: Re: resources in other files in the blessed folder (Re: Msg 16526)
Date: 17-JAN 21:06 Network Digests
>From: lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein)
>Subject: Re: resources in other files in the blessed folder
>Date: 17 Jan 87 02:03:10 GMT
>Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer
>One thing you could do is place all the fonts and DAs in a file different
>from the System file, and write an INIT that opens this file at startup.
On a hard disk this would be OK, but what about floppy systems? I'd expect
problems with the Switch Launch logic in the Finder. I think even in an
environment with a constant System file, I'd be worried about how applications
would deal with the extra item on the Resource stack. That is anything that
was manipulating the stack might expect to start up with only it's application
resource fork and the System RF on the stack. Some of the MANX Aztec C
utilities distributed in the days of the 64K ROM were fond of playing games
like this.
However, if there is a guaranteed kosher way to do this, I really want to
know! I hate having a 700K System file just to support my excess Laser Fonts!
peter "In any context, half of all references
PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
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From: JOSEF
Subject: RE: Re: Program control of the MacPlus d (Re: Msg 16501)
Date: 18-JAN 01:56 MUGS Online
To: rtech!rtech!mark@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Mark Wittenberg) Subject: Program
control of the MacPlus disk cache
I'm not sure what the original question was, but based on Steve Brecher's
previous reply, I think the following might be the answer. Here is the
LightSpeedC code which allows you to temporarily remove Apple's disk cache:
#define CACHEBIT 5 /* cache bit in SPMisc2 */
extern char SPMisc2 : 0x20B; /* contains cache bit */
extern char CurApName : 0x910; /* name of current application */
asm { /* first turn cache off if it's on */
btst #CACHEBIT,SPMisc2
beq @nocache
bclr #CACHEBIT,SPMisc2
lea CurApName,a0
lea @name,a1
moveq #7,d0
@lup:
move.l (a0)+,(a1)+
dbra d0,@lup
lea @parm,a0
lea @name,a1
move.l a1,(a0)
_Launch
_Debugger /* shouldn't get here */
@parm:
dc.l 0,0
@name:
dc.l 0,0,0,0,0,0,0
@nocache:
}
/* your code goes here */
/* before exit, restore pRAM copy with original values
(which will restore the cache) */
InitUtil();
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From: MACINTOUCH
Subject: QUED 1.3 (Re: Msg 16525)
Date: 18-JAN 11:26 Network Digests
To: wimp@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP (Jeff Haferman)
Subject: QUED 1.3
QUED is not shareware, but rather a commercial product from Paragon Courseware,
4954 Sun Valley Rd., Del Mar, CA 92014; 619-481-1477. The current version
is 1.5 and lists for $65 according to a flyer I got at the expo. QUED is the
most powerful text-only processor I know of for the Macintosh, although it's
RAM-based. It has the capability of handling *any* ASCII character, printable
or not! Even in Find and Change, I believe. It uses an ASCII-table window
to make things easy.
The program is loaded with functions which are too numerous to list here.
Many are especially useful for programmers. We have received a review copy
and will be evaluating it more thoroughly in the next month or two. We
probably should've spent more time with it long ago.
Paragon is working on a word processor which incorporates many of QUED's
features and adds many more. It seems to be a small innovative company.
Ric Ford
"MacInTouch" newsletter
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From: RSTICKLE
Subject: Ada
Date: 18-JAN 13:20 Programming
Does anyone know if and where I can get a program that will let me run
simple routines in Ada? I've got the Mini-Ada compiler and it seems
that all you can do with that is watch the program compile, I'm a
Safety Engineer on the Space Station project and all of the Space
Station software will be in Ada and I'd like to be able to become more
farmiliar with the language, using the Mac in my spare time. --Rick--
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From: MADMACS
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16495)
Date: 18-JAN 15:39 Hardware & Peripherals
Thanks for the info, Alf. I have looked in to the problem and I think I
have found a good solution.
The Problem: Laser printer labels sheets (full sheet press-apply label
stock with scoring for small labels, say 3 x 11 on a sheet) do not have
space for the LaserWriter's 1/2 inch margin. This makes it them difficult
to use in Silicon Press, for example.
A Solution: Print at 88% reduction so that the labels all fit on the page,
inside the 1/2 inch margins. I am making return address labels and there
are 3 x 11 on a sheet, so they are 2.8333 inches by 1 inch at full scale.
Print them on a regular piece of paper and call this your master.
Then find a copier with an enlargement option. Cut the 1/2 inch margin off
of your master and then copy it on to your label stock at 14% enlargement
(1/.88 = 1.14) so that the text ends up expanding to fill the page again.
(You will have to experiment to get everything to line up, but it is not
hard. Do the experimentation with ordinary paper to save $).
This has two advantages:
1) You don't have to wait for the LaserWriter to recompose the master
everytime you want more labels. Just get out your master and whip out
several sheets in a few minutes.
2) You aren't running labels though your LW (which may or may not be hard
on it.)
-Doug (MADMACS)
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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16561)
Date: 18-JAN 16:12 Hardware & Peripherals
Do you know the order number of the pre-scored labels? When I go to my
stationery store, it seems all they have is full page label stock that I'd have
to cut up with a paper cutter!
peter
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From: MOUSEKETEER
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16567)
Date: 19-JAN 00:03 Hardware & Peripherals
Or, you can just set up Silicon Press to do a 100% row of labels on the LW,
print three copies, and rubber cement them onto a fourth sheet of
paper to match the address label stock, and run those on a copy
machine. You lose a bit of quality, but it's quick and easy if you are
going to run a lot (and copier toner is less expensive than LW carts).
Alf
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From: NETMAN
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16611)
Date: 21-JAN 20:27 Hardware & Peripherals
Peter, I've had tremendous luck with Avery #5331 labels (pre-cut 1" X
2 5/8"). I can print 30 labels on a page from FM+ using Narrow Helv.
10 pt. on a LW+. You can also use the same labels in a plain paper
copier if you're concerned on burning through LaserWriter toner carts.
Jonathan Oski "MacInTouch Newsleter"
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From: PEABO
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16648)
Date: 21-JAN 21:20 Hardware & Peripherals
My principal worry is that precut labels might come off the sheet somewhere in
the mechanics. I'll see if I can find some 5331's.
thanks,
peter
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From: NETMAN
Subject: RE: LaserWriter labels (Re: Msg 16655)
Date: 22-JAN 08:05 Hardware & Peripherals
I've had good luck with the Avery 5331's. On two occasions I have printed 1200
labels (ie. 40 sheets) without event. I was worried about the effect of the
heat on the labels but they've worked fine. They're much easier to deal with
than using pin-fed stock in an IW. They peel off easily and look really nice.
Good luck
Jonathan
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