SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU.UUCP (02/01/87)
Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, 31 January 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: IW I Slipping (3 messages) RE: Fall 1986 BMUG Newsletter? RE: Helix & Double Helix (2 messages) Need Comparative Info on AMIGA vs. MAC+ MicroSoft f77 RE: WriteNow (6 messages) Nevins Microsystems If I Hadn't Seen It... (3 messages) RE: Extending TextEdit (4 messages) Help with HD RE: Help - Mac floppy repair/replace info needed RE: mac parallel output? Squeaky disc (2 messages) RE: keyboard problem RE: mac parallel output? RE: Left Handed MacPaint "MacInTouch" February '87 delay Switcher Question Very cheap B-Boxes RE: criket draw (2 messages) "Missing Application" message: APPL AST-2000 tape won't work sys windows AppleShare System 3.3/Radius FPD MUSIC PUBLISHING PC MacKey keyboard Carrying Case Warning Re: Helix & Double Helix (2 messages) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: IW I Slipping Date: 24-JAN 21:52 Hardware & Peripherals One of my friendly readers in a remote, unpopulated state (Iowa....grin) has a question regarding an Imagewriter I. Since I no longer have one of the units, I'll post the question here and forward any advise, hints you can offer. "When I originally got my Imagewriter I, I could print on construction paper (friction feed). Now the same paper slips or gets stuck in one spot. The tractor feed is fine, but every once in a while the paper bail flips forward. If I get new paper bail springs, will that solve my problem or do I need to take it in and get it worked on? I've done all the usual adjusting for paper thickness and read my manual, but it doesn't mention this problem or the need for annual servicing." Any help appreciated. BTW, if you wonder about construction paper, she is a teacher (egad...a teacher reading Mousy???) Alf ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: IW I Slipping (Re: Msg 16737) Date: 26-JAN 04:41 Hardware & Peripherals When I print on an IW I with thick paper (our Maitreya Design stationery is thick enough to sometimes cause problems), I leave the clear plastic cover open. This lets the paper feed straight up, without having to bend around, and eliminated my slippage errors. ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER Subject: RE: IW I Slipping (Re: Msg 16803) Date: 26-JAN 07:11 Hardware & Peripherals I've cleaned the platen on my IW I several times to reduce slippage. Lofty ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: RE: Fall 1986 BMUG Newsletter? Date: 24-JAN 22:27 Network Digests To: hamachi@turtlevax.UUCP (Gordon Hamachi) Subject: Fall 1986 BMUG Newsletter? Organization: CIMLINC, Inc. @ Menlo Park, CA Hi Gordon, Yes, the "Late 1986" Fall BMUG NL exists, all 400+ pages of it. BMUG got it out just in time to distribute some at the SF Expo, and is now in the process of forwarding copies to all members. It is worth the wait, really. Alf ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: RE: Helix & Double Helix Date: 24-JAN 23:22 Network Digests To: waltervj@dartvax.UUCP (walter jeffries) Subject: Helix & Double Helix The people at the Helix booth at the expo mentioned that version 2 of Double Helix (not yet out) would be more robust ... Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: RE: Helix & Double Helix Date: 24-JAN 22:28 Network Digests To: waltervj@dartvax.UUCP (walter jeffries) Subject: Helix & Double Helix Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Hi Walter, I've been using Double/Multi-User/Remote and vanilla Helix for a year or so to maintain inventory, pricing, point-of-sale duties over several retail shops. I've never had a problem with the program "losing data", though Odesta has made an upgrade in the last couple of months to correct some problems. If a rather strange grouping of functions was done in an early version of the program, the "Collection", through the several upgrades, could build up spare Icons that could not be discarded, or were not discarded on updating. Odesta has circulated to users a utility to check datafiles for such "anomalies" and correct them if at all possible. If not, the best thing is to rebuild the Collection using the newer versions and dump the data into the new Collection. During the year, I've used all versions of Helix, in three related databases containing from 5,000-18,000 individually numbered items, and I've had none disappear, and the utility reflected no "anomalies" in any of my Collections. From my experience, it's a very solid program with very good support from Odesta. My only complaint is that with all the upgrades, new features every three months, my documentation covers three Helix binders. They have sent out a full index for all the updates, and say a revamped doc set is coming soon, but in the meantime, it can take a few minutes to locate info. Alf ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: Need Comparative Info on AMIGA vs. MAC+ (Re: Msg 16728) Date: 24-JAN 23:20 Network Digests To: jlc@atux01.UUCP (J. Collymore) Subject: Need Comparative Info on AMIGA vs. MAC+ for use in a MIDI system The person who bought my Mac 512 had an Amiga. He's a musician. He's a lot happier with the Mac's music software. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: MicroSoft f77 (Re: Msg 16728) Date: 24-JAN 23:24 Network Digests To: bill@hao.UCAR.EDU (Bill Roberts) Subject: MicroSoft f77 We recently received version 2.2 of Fortran from Microsoft in a nice package. I believe that this is the first version to support HFS adequately. Ric Ford "MacInTouch" newsletter ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 24-JAN 23:27 Network Digests To: cutler@reed.UUCP (Steven J. Russell) Subject: WriteNow WriteNow doesn't have Word 3's style sheets and equation handling and column arithmetic and sorting, but it has on-screen multiple columns. The WriteNow Translator program seems to have bugs, and it's inconvenient. We'll have to wait to see if the bugs get removed from Word 3's translation routines. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 26-JAN 04:41 Network Digests > From: cutler@reed.UUCP (Steven J. Russell) > Subject: WriteNow I use WriteNow. I don't like Word 1.05, and from what I can see, 3.0 is more of the same. WN is a low-end word processor, but what it does, it does very nicely. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 26-JAN 04:41 Network Digests I've encountered no bugs in the WriteNow Translator (except that it always gives 16-point line spacing). Then, I almost always translate MacWrite 2.2 docs. I talked to the program author recently, and he said they may be doing an interim release with such things as Save as/Open TEXT and arrow keys. Then a really major release with spiffy new features. ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 26-JAN 07:08 Network Digests I'm beginning to find some bugs in Write/Now's page formatting. For ninstance, I had a form letter set up to print my phone # just below my (preprinted) address on law school stationery. The phone # appears in a header on the first page. For some reason unknown to me, the _first_ time I print the letter the phone # prints too high. The _second_ time I print the letter it is in the right place. I don't make any changes in the letter between first and second printing. Strange. Lofty ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 26-JAN 07:11 Network Digests There are major bugs in the Translator when translating ffrom WORD documents. A centered header often results in the following paragraph's formatting being changed to centered. Embedded pictures sometimes cause the damndest results. And of course (though they don't regard it as a bug), if you use the Open feature of Word paragraphs to keep blank lines between paragraphs, Write/Now discards that and you have to go through manually and convert each carriage return to a double carriage return to get the empty line back. Lofty ------------------------------ From: PDNNOG Subject: RE: WriteNow Date: 26-JAN 19:47 Network Digests I use Writenow almost exclusively as well. It works well, but slowly with MacWrite 4.5 documents, especially when converting the bitmaps. But it is so fast once you get to the word processing, and the onscreen multiple columns are so good, that translation is well worth the effort. ------------------------------ From: JGILLETT Subject: Nevins Microsystems Date: 24-JAN 23:21 Business Mac Lately there has been a lot of talk about how good (generally) the new version of TurboCharger is. I would like to be able to try it, but, because of a complete lack of cooperation from Nevins, I have not been able to do so. On 15 Dec I sent them a check and my old disk for an upgrade. So far, there has been no reply. During the past week I have called their office 3 or 4 times, only to get an answering machine. None of my calls have been returned. It seems to me that this lack of support/concern FOR the customer will only be returned in kind FROM the customer. FYI... ------------------------------ From: RWIGGINS Subject: If I Hadn't Seen It... Date: 24-JAN 23:53 Business Mac ..with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it, but in the Sunday New York Times 1/25/87 Erik Sandberg-Diment's column is ALMOST pro-Apple! I share with you some excerpts: "Optimistically dubbed the giant killer by some, the Mac II is not about to replace the IBM PCs and their compatibles in every office....Whatever the case, in the eyes of the group that effectively controls the computer acquisitions of entire companies, no matter what Apple does, it still will not be producing real computers. "In the eyes of almost everyone else, however, if even half the stories about the new Macintosh II are true, it promises to be a remarkable machine.... "The Mac is finally going to acquire a people-sized display screen -- three of them, in fact. The standard Mac II monitor will feature a 12-inch screen. For those with visions of pyrotechnics, the color Mac II will have a 13-inch screen whose presentation ..is nothing short of spectacular. The third monitor will boast a full 19-inch screen for computer-aided design applications. "The Macintosh keyboard...has been completely redesigned....At least one optional version...is described as an IBM PC AT-style keyboard. "...the computer is reputed to have six expansion slots -- at last! -- one of which can be used for an optional PC-DOS co-processor card. A Digital Equipment Corporation co-processor is also on the drawing boards, as is a networking card... "...the Mac II will offer...a large increase in both power and speed. The new computer is reputed to have a Motorola 68020 central processing unit at its heart... "...Apple's new computer will be able to run circles around all the other microcomputers currently available. In fact, the Mac II, boasting an expandable memory that starts at two megabytes, where the IBM PCs and their clones struggle to break the 640K barrier, represents the end of an era. "Just a little more than 10 years after its birth, the microcomputer is dead. The Mac II, every bit a personal computer though it may still be, is really a minicomputer." So, despite the digs and IBM bias, this man actually likes what he thinks Apple is working on. There's hope, even for him. -- Robert ------------------------------ From: NAKMAN Subject: RE: If I Hadn't Seen It... (Re: Msg 16749) Date: 24-JAN 23:58 Business Mac It sounds like he read John Dvorak's column in the San Francisco Examiner last Sunday! -- Raines ------------------------------ From: RWIGGINS Subject: RE: If I Hadn't Seen It... (Re: Msg 16750) Date: 25-JAN 13:26 Business Mac Did Dvorak have all the digs against Apple in his, too? (What am I saying - of course he must have!) Sandberg-Diment is known for being an IBM bigot (he found MicroPhone too hard to use!) so this column is a watershed for him. And he probably did get his facts from other things he's read, as I can't imagine anyone showing him the new machine (I mean, why bother?), so where else could he get his speculations? -- Robert ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Extending TextEdit (Re: Msg 16707) Date: 25-JAN 04:06 Programming I agree with Peter -- it'd be much nicer with word wrap, and with at least one stylistic change (bold preferable, and underline secondary). Left-only justification is no problem. If you're doing a programming editor, a Show Invisible feature could be very handy. What's the value of using the TextEdit data structures? I don't think you're going to be able to patch TE (unless you want to unpatch it very frequently), since if you do, programs written with your package won't support certain DAs that assume TextEdit wraps words. I think a PACK might be the way to go. ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Extending TextEdit (Re: Msg 16759) Date: 25-JAN 15:55 Programming Since Apple has reserved all the available PACK's for their own use, how would you minimize the risk of taking one over? peter ------------------------------ From: LOGICHACK Subject: RE: Extending TextEdit (Re: Msg 16759) Date: 26-JAN 03:13 Programming I want to make it similar to textedit so that existing code doesn't have to change as much. Also, seems to me that the programming interface to TE ain't all that bad. I don't think its feasible to patch TE to do what I I definately plan Show Invisibles but I have enough trouble gettings tabs done right. Also, stylistic variations like bold are difficult since they change the width of the characters. But if it was done, there would be no reason not to do all the other variations too. Hey, if I can give away the source, then you guys can do it yourself. Keep the comments coming. Paul :) ------------------------------ From: LOGICHACK Subject: RE: Extending TextEdit (Re: Msg 16769) Date: 26-JAN 03:18 Programming One can do something just like PACKs without being real PACKs. Since you will be linking this package with your app, you can just call it directly, it be more efficient too. Paul :) ------------------------------ From: FMBBS Subject: Help with HD Date: 25-JAN 12:08 Hardware & Peripherals I am looking for some technical help on using a Miniscribe HD modem 2012 on my system. If anyone out there has the specs on this 10 meg HD, All I need to know is what options the straps (8) on the top control. I am especaially interested in the addressing of the HD. Thanks bill t Fort Mill BBS 803-548-0900 (MouseExchange 5.0b6 available) ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: RE: Help - Mac floppy repair/replace info needed Date: 25-JAN 16:07 Network Digests >From: segall@caip.RUTGERS.EDU (Ed Segall) >Subject: Help - Mac floppy repair/replace info needed >Date: 19 Jan 87 23:02:50 GMT >Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. I have a Mac with 400K drives which are not going to be upgraded. The You should be able to get a good 400K external for $70 or so. There are a lot of them available locally (Houston), going for as low as $50. If you can't find one in your area, try one of the places that advertises in MacUser or MacWorld. One place was advertising them for $79, reconditioned (whatever that means), and with a warranty. As for swapping the external and internal drives, that should be no problem. Just disconnect the cables at the drives, and swap them. You'll have to take the bracket off of the internal drive and put it on the external drive, but it's all fairly simple. Brian Hall ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: RE: mac parallel output? Date: 25-JAN 16:13 Network Digests > From: dean@mind.UUCP (Dean Radin) > Subject: mac parallel output? > Date: 19 Jan 87 16:40:43 GMT > Organization: Cognitive Science, Princeton University > Does anyone know if there's a device that would let a Mac or Mac+ talk to > peripherals requiring centronix (parallel) interfaces? > - Dean Radin, Princeton University, ...!princeton!mind!dean Yes, there is a serial to parallel converter for the Mac. I have one. Unfortunately, it doesn't work well on the Mac+, which I also have. (I haven't gotten around to rigging up a power supply for it yet. I've got the power supply, and a cable prepared, but....) I can't really recommend the company because of their complete and total unresponsiveness (not to mention the many lies they've told me), but the name is ZAP Logic Co., in Canada. The name of the "interface" (I apply the term loosely) is the Granny Smith Connection. The phone number is (416) 225-8815. If you call, give them a raspberry for me. Brian Hall ------------------------------ From: JEFFPARKE Subject: Squeaky disc Date: 25-JAN 22:49 Hardware & Peripherals Problem: internal 800k drive squeaks painfully when cranking head over great distances, but not on sequential read/writes. (e.g. it will make several squeaks at boot-up, but never when formatting a disk.) In addition, this only happens with about 1/4 of my DS/DD disk collection. Anyone know what this is and what to do about it? ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Squeaky disc (Re: Msg 16779) Date: 25-JAN 23:27 Hardware & Peripherals Are the disks that squeak by a different manufacturer than the ones that don't? peter ------------------------------ From: BILLIAM Subject: RE: keyboard problem (Re: Msg 16732) Date: 26-JAN 01:00 Hardware & Peripherals thanks. It isn't always the same key and, once working, none of the keys stick. I assumed it was in the keyboard but, now that I think about it, does the keyboard have any chips inside it? thanks again for the help. Billiam ------------------------------ From: NWOLF Subject: RE: mac parallel output? Date: 26-JAN 03:00 Network Digests To: dean@mind.UUCP (Dean Radin) Subject: mac parallel output? there is a SCSI converter to parallel - in fact there may be more than one... but the one I'm thinking of is a hack accompanying the "SCSI Diddling" article in Delphi's MUGS Online dtabase. If not convenient for you to get it from there I can arrange a means by which you can obtain it. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: Left Handed MacPaint Date: 26-JAN 04:41 Network Digests > From: jdm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Jim Meiss) > Subject: Left Handed MacPaint The tool icons are actually in that unnamed font. As to ResEdit crashing, I've heard that recent versions aren't very good at font editing. FONTastic is a worthwhile purchase for editing bitmap fonts (and Fontographer is nice for PostScript fonts -- I only had to look at the manual once to do a symbol font [I admit I cheated by watching a friend use the program several months before getting it myself]). ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: "MacInTouch" February '87 delay Date: 26-JAN 12:09 Business Mac To "MacInTouch" newsletter subscribers: The February issue of "MacInTouch" should arrive about a week later than normal. We delayed it in order to include an 8-page report on the San Francisco MacWorld Expo. Ric Ford Editor ------------------------------ From: KOLLMYER Subject: Switcher Question Date: 25-JAN 21:42 Programming Techniques Does anyone know anything about the using Switcher to get program-controlled switching. I have the Inside Switcher Beta documentation, but I can't figure out what they mean by a TaskPtr. In some places of the documentation they refer to a TaskPtr as a pointer to continous block of memory to define the start of a Swithcer World, and in other places they refer to it as a pointer to an entry address of the application to activate. Thanks, any help would be appreciated Brad Kollmyer (Kollmyer) ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: Very cheap B-Boxes Date: 27-JAN 11:03 Business Mac I just heard from one of our subscribers that Programs Plus (the mail order house in CT.) is selling Bernoulli Boxes quite cheaply (c. 50% of list), and cheaper in fact, than their ads list them in the February MacWorld. One hitch is that the stuff is apparently not in stock, and must be "drop shipped" from Iomega. But a 10MB Bernoulli box for the same price as a tape drive makes the tape drive look pretty bad. 800-832-3201. Ric Ford "MacInTouch" ------------------------------ From: JIMH Subject: RE: criket draw Date: 28-JAN 19:09 SIG Business I have to agree that cricket draw has a lot of bugs! we got three copies and i have had a lot of problems. for instance we had a small picture that blows up with out of memory error when you bind text to an arc! I called them and passed tghem the file v ia apple link last thurs or so and still no reply, great service! also the program has problems with lines for instance you can draw a line tehn you cant select it except by using a selection rect big enought for the entire line (what a pain!) anyway tho se are just the worst two but it seems to have problems and i would recommend you wait before picking this one up. jim ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: RE: criket draw Date: 28-JAN 21:48 SIG Business Ya, and to be honest, if I were as quick-tempered with Cricket Draw as I have been with MacDraw, it'd already be out the door....I don't have a window in my computer room. But the program offers so much in the way of graphics that would be difficult to perform without Cricket Draw, I forgive it and hope for a quick upgrade to take care of the bugs (those lines can be a bear to latch onto, can't they!). BTW, on Van's problem with getting the graphics from Cricket Draw into a page layout, while PageMaker is lagging behind, RSG 3.0 allows you to specify a text block as PostScript. Save the C.Draw file as PostScript code and dump it into the RSG block...it's fun, and a heck of a lot easier than coding into PS from scratch. For a more general graphics program for layout use, though, I'd have to vote for Superpaint. Alf ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: "Missing Application" message: APPL (Re: Msg 16824) Date: 28-JAN 22:43 Network Digests > From: PUGH%CCC.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa > Subject: Missing Application Woes! I suggest you get a more recent version of ResEdit; it's had an APPL template for some time. I've noticed that the APPL can get trashed. If you delete it, then open all folders with applications, it'll get rebuilt. ------------------------------ From: MADMACS Subject: AST-2000 tape won't work Date: 29-JAN 18:45 Hardware & Peripherals I just want to tell everyone that I have been trying to help someone get her AST-2000 working and, after 2 months and one return for a "Hardware upgrade" it is STILL NOT WORKING! The disk is ok but the tape always give a write error when backing up. We have tried every thing to no avail. AST is hard to get a hold of and then the disk was sent it returned with the same problem -- even though she specfically told them to make sure that it worked. I can't imagine that they did. I consider myself a pretty knowledgable use and I can get the thing to work. Has anyone had any luck with these things? I am discouraging people not to buy them when they ask me if I know about them. I think you should, too. -Doug ------------------------------ From: JOSEF Subject: sys windows Date: 28-JAN 21:24 Programming Techniques What's a good way to tell if a System Window has just been activated? Or perhaps I should ask: is there a better way than checking the windowKind field of FrontWindow every time through the main event loop? Joe ------------------------------ From: HALL Subject: AppleShare Date: 29-JAN 20:47 Business Mac Apple officially introduced AppleShare, the IBM PC AppleTalk card, Apple DCA Filter Software (PC to MacWrite), AppleLine 3270 (software; IBM 3270 to Mac- Write), and LaserShare. Prices: AppleShare $799, AppleTalk PC card $399, Apple DCA Filter Free (from Apple? :-)), AppleLine 3270 $99, LaserShare $299. According to the article (in the Wall Street Journal), "The new products are the first of a flurry of new products Apple plans to introduce in 1987. In March or April, the company is expected to unveil the first of several new verisons of the Macintosh..." Brian ------------------------------ From: RWIGGINS Subject: System 3.3/Radius FPD Date: 29-JAN 23:19 Bugs & Features If you have a Radius FPD and are having troubles with Finder 5.4/System 3.3 released today (like dotted lines on the desktop, weird hangs, spurious bombs), try increasing your system heap. Mine is up to around 100K, and things are smooth (so far). Remember to increase the version number of the boot blocks to at least 21 (15 hex). -- Robert ------------------------------ From: PRINCETON Subject: MUSIC PUBLISHING Date: 31-JAN 00:38 Creative Pursuits Bulletin Board Message and Request for Assistance I found out about Ami Palace through an article in INFO #13 page 61. I am leaving this message in the expectation that you may be able to help me. My name is Wayne Whitelock. I am Director of Instructional Media (AV Services, Computers, etc.) at Princeton Theological Seminary in Princeton, New Jersey. I have been asked to set up a system aid in the publication of a musical comedy that has been written for out 175th anniversary as a graduate institution. I will need to find hardware and software to take MIDI keyboard input, convert it to standard musical notation (multi cleft, with lyrics, full score, real time input) and provide editing and laser printing capability (page make up and output). The hardware contenders to date are MacPlus, Apple GS, and Amiga. I have seen none of these set up or demonstrated. So far the only software that proports to do what I need is Electronic Arts' DELUXE MUSIC. I am looking for someone with experience in music publishing with the Amiga to give me assistance. If you can help please contact me. Call collect. You will have my appreciation and gratitude for passing along any insights, advice, or wisdom you may have. Please put this on you BB for others to see if you can. My Delphi DMAIL NAME is "PRINCETON" thank you for your help. Wayne Whitelock 226 Ross Stevenson Circle Princeton, New Jersey 08540 1 (609) 921-9424 Office 1 (609) 941-9363 Office 1 (609) 921-9369 Office 1 (609) 924-2343 Home EOM January 30, 1987 23.30 hrs ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: PC MacKey keyboard Date: 31-JAN 13:12 Hardware & Peripherals Just switched back to the Mac keyboard for a while, from the PC MacKey keyboard from Tangent Tech. I find the Mac keyboard has keys much closer together. The spring pressure is heavier, but I find I know more exactly when I've sent the keystroke and when I haven't. I like having the mouse closer to my hand, since the keypad is separate on this setup. Ric ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: Carrying Case Warning Date: 31-JAN 15:49 Business Mac Warning! I have seen large build-ups of static electricity when a ComputerAid carrying case was used to carry a Macintosh Plus. I believe that this is likely to cause damage to the electronic components of the computer, and I advise against buying or using this carrying case. I think that it is lined with normal nylon fabric, and not with an anti-static material. Ric Ford "MacInTouch" newsletter ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: Re: Helix & Double Helix Date: 31-JAN 19:36 Network Digests To: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) Subject: Re: Helix & Double Helix Is it still true that if you hit the reset button in Helix that your file will be completely trashed?! I know this is not the case with Omnis 3. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: JIMH Subject: Re: Helix & Double Helix Date: 31-JAN 20:51 Network Digests Ric, i have had a lot of helix files trashed by having to use reset to get out of bombs. thats why i always keep two copies of database. jim ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ -------