SHULMAN@slb-test.CSNET.UUCP (03/07/87)
Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, March 7, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: DataFrame and System 4.0 (3 messages) Ruggedized VME boards word bomb (4 messages) Word 3.0 Help (2 messages) RE: damaged disk RE: turning things off (2 messages) RE: Apple software & Etc. (2 messages) New Apple files... Shutdown Mgr (5 messages) hooking into LSC stdio... (3 messages) RE: SE First Impression (2 messages) 50 Hz or 60 Hz? LaserSpeed vs. new Laser Prep Word 3.0 HFS Backup 2.0 and System 4.0 LaserWriter Driver Bug Just for Fun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LOGICHACK Subject: DataFrame and System 4.0 Date: 4-MAR-00:28: Hardware & Peripherals Has anyone noticed that DataFrames initialized under Init 2.2 (and 2.1) don't work with the new system? A quick hack is to take out the new patches (SCSI) in PTCH 117 and replace it with the one from System 3.2. Paul :) ------------------------------ From: JOSEF Subject: RE: DataFrame and System 4.0 (Re: Msg 17803) Date: 4-MAR-02:10: Hardware & Peripherals My DF20 is init'ed under Init 2.1 and works just fine with System 4.0, although I had a LOT of trouble getting the original floppy to work (suspect I had some bad tracks on it). Joe ------------------------------ From: TSTEIN Subject: RE: DataFrame and System 4.0 (Re: Msg 17812) Date: 4-MAR-07:58: Hardware & Peripherals Mine works too. Just a DF20, not XP. ------------------------------ From: JIMH Subject: Ruggedized VME boards Date: 4-MAR-00:51: Network Digests Does anyone have any experiance with VME equipment in hostile enviornments? We want to put a vme system on a helecoptor but it needs to be speced for up to 85 c operating temp, and withstand vibrations and other problems. I dont have a full set of specs for what is required unfortunatly. We also need a 1553B Bus addaptor if anyone has any info on these systems. Thanks jim ------------------------------ From: JOSEF Subject: word bomb Date: 4-MAR-01:40: Business Mac I would expect any new program (even an upgrade) to have a few residual bugs, but I'm definitely disappointed that I was able to crash Word 3.0 so easily: just run it under Switcher and open about 3 or 4 documents, using up all the memory and BOMB! Oh well, it's still a great program. Joe ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: RE: word bomb (Re: Msg 17809) Date: 4-MAR-17:51: Business Mac On the positive side, I tried to crash Word 3 the way Word 1 would crash if you deleted temporary documents, or fooled with files it left open after you closed their windows -- Word 3 didn't crash under any of these "trying" circumstances. Ric ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: word bomb (Re: Msg 17828) Date: 4-MAR-22:27: Business Mac One way I crashed WORD, was to add a document to the WORKS menu, that could not be found because it was buried in a (HFS) folder. ------------------------------ From: INC Subject: RE: word bomb (Re: Msg 17841) Date: 5-MAR-09:37: Business Mac Also try to save to the user dictionary is somewhat flakey... ------------------------------ From: BWD Subject: Word 3.0 Help Date: 4-MAR-12:59: SIG Business Well IUve gotten Word 3.0 and already found a feature lacking. Don't get me wrong, it seems to be a great product. The number of command keys is astounding! The way in which you can select menus directly from the keyboard is ingenious. But I do have a problem! Even Customer Support could not help me but I am still hopeful. I have plenty of memo and letter formats done up in a glossary in Word 1.05. Each format uses different page setups. With Word 1.05 you change the page setup and copy the text and the last line of :::::::: which contains the page setup information. When this is pasted (from the clipboard or glossary) into a new document, the page setup is also pasted in. With Word 3.0 there is no provision for page setup information transfer between glossary and document OR even between two windows both of which are displayed on the screen. Can anybody help? If you haven't gotten Word 3.0 yet, keep this in mind and let me know if you EVER find a solution. Thanks! Brian ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: RE: Word 3.0 Help (Re: Msg 17819) Date: 4-MAR-17:56: SIG Business No suggestions, but a lament: I just got burned by this problem, and created a nice Word file that overflowed drastically when I pasted it into PageMaker because the Page Setup had been lost. Argh. Ric ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: damaged disk Date: 4-MAR-21:31: Network Digests Tell Dennis Griesser to stop using pirated versions of COPY II MAC and actually buy the latest version, or to use FEDIT +. Both programs have provision to extract files from damaged disk. The latest MacTools will copy any files it can salvage to another disk, using the sector tags to piece together files. ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: RE: turning things off Date: 4-MAR-21:48: Network Digests Tell koch@NADC that if he upgrades to System 4.0, (The Finder alone may be enough) he will have plenty of time to turn things off. "Shut Down" leaves the computer in a power-down-able state. ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: turning things off Date: 6-MAR-05:19: Network Digests You need System 4.0, as well as Finder 5.4; the new system provides a new trap, which Finder calls. ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: RE: Apple software & Etc. (Re: Msg 17762) Date: 4-MAR-21:59: SIG Business After checking with Apple today, I can report that the Fish and Cat resources were official projects, and their status was never intended to be deleted from the software upgrade listing. The Goat and Anteater resources *were* a private joke, but they were taken out of the offical release version, so we can't really complain, can we? The Platypus and Eel resources never even got that far. Alf ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: RE: Apple software & Etc. (Re: Msg 17838) Date: 4-MAR-22:10: SIG Business I have it on excellent authority (from a source whose identity I cannot reveal) that the "mousy" resource will be preserved in the final version 4.1 System. El Rico ------------------------------ From: EEE Subject: New Apple files... Date: 5-MAR-00:31: Hardware & Peripherals Can anyone explain what the file "StartUp Device" is ued for? (It was in the new Apple files). I noticed it has a type of "cdev", but it doesn't have any effect on the new Control panel. Thanks for any replies. -Ed ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR Subject: Shutdown Mgr Date: 3-MAR-19:22: Programming Techniques Hey, where can I find out about the new Shutdown manager. Jan ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR Subject: RE: Shutdown Mgr (Re: Msg 1288) Date: 4-MAR-22:44: Programming Techniques Here's the Shutdown info.I got it from Steve Brecher and translated it slightly for LightspeedC use. The new Shutdown trap can be invoked as follows: asm{ MOVE #1,-(SP) /*to power down*/ DC.W 0XA895 } or asm{ MOVE #2,-(SP) /*to reboot*/ DC.W 0XA895 } if(GetTrapAddress(0x195) = GetTrapAddress(0x19F)) DoItTheOldWay else UseTheShutDownTrap There are a couple of other selector values for installing/removing hooks to perform caller-supplied tasks in addition to the ordinary shut down stuff. The ordinary stuff (unmounting, goodbye kisses) is taken care of by the trap. Thank you Steve for this info! Jan ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: Shutdown Mgr (Re: Msg 1292) Date: 4-MAR-23:13: Programming Techniques Perhaps I should know the answer to this, but how to I know I have System 4.0 installed so that these traps work? peter ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: RE: Shutdown Mgr (Re: Msg 1292) Date: 5-MAR-03:50: Programming Techniques That should be... if(GetTrapAddress(0x95) == GetTrapAddress(0x9F)) (The error was mine... at least I got the name of the "DoItTheOldWay" trap right!) ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: RE: Shutdown Mgr (Re: Msg 1296) Date: 5-MAR-03:51: Programming Techniques That's the "if GetTrapAddress..." part. ------------------------------ From: CHUQ Subject: hooking into LSC stdio... Date: 6-MAR-00:52: Programming Does anyone know how to hook stdio calls into the standard Mac interface? What I'm (generally) trying to do right now is take the output of SFGetfile and SFPutFile and use it to open files through fopen() so I can use the stdio calls -- I've got an application running in a Unix window that I want to make more MacLike, but I'm trying to avoid rewriting all the guts that depend on getchar() and putchar(). Alternatively, someone got an easy hack to simulate getchar() and putchar() using the standard Mac interface? (say, FSRead and FSWrite) without having to write all my own buffering and stuff? danke, chuq ------------------------------ From: PEABO Subject: RE: hooking into LSC stdio... (Re: Msg 17860) Date: 6-MAR-01:12: Programming All the source code is there for you to play with. It should be pretty easy to make some non-sticky variables in data.c that are used by Open and reset to some innocuous value as part of the Open. Then you just stuff something into the magic variables right before calling open (namely, the WDRefNum returned from SF). I have found it helpful also to define similar variables that allow me to specify the Creator and Type of a new file, and also I defined a new mode bit that causes open to act on the resource fork instead of the data fork. peter ------------------------------ From: CHUQ Subject: RE: hooking into LSC stdio... (Re: Msg 17861) Date: 6-MAR-02:49: Programming thanks for the hint! Actually, it turned out to be simple. If you use Stdio_Macinit(TRUE) to keep the stdio stuff from clobbering your mac world and brining up the glass tty, all you need to do to hook in is: SFGetFile(....,&reply) SetVol(&reply.vRefNum) fopen(PtoCstr(&reply.fName, ...); because the SetVol() call will set the default location to be the location of the place you found the file. This WON'T work if you have to make multiple calls to SFGetFile or SFPutFile bcause the user might move around the ttree, but it sems to work fine for a single file, and you don't have to go mucking into the LSC code. chuq ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM Subject: RE: SE First Impression Date: 6-MAR-05:19: Network Digests >From: Tom Dowdy <CML5A9%IRISHMVS.BITNET@wiscvm.wisc.edu> >Subject: SE First Impression >you can generate the command and check symbols using the control >key now. What does control do different from the pretzel key? ------------------------------ From: BRECHER Subject: RE: SE First Impression Date: 7-MAR-05:56: Network Digests This is just a guess, but... Pretzel (Pretzel?) "a" generates an "a" ($61) in the event message low byte, with the cmdKey modifier bit set. Cntrl-A generates $01 in the message low byte. ------------------------------ From: UJL0012 Subject: 50 Hz or 60 Hz? Date: 6-MAR-08:53: Hardware & Peripherals The electricity in the western half of Japan is 60 Hz while the eastern half is 50 Hz. I am wondering whether it is true that the Imagewriter II and the Laserwriter sold in the United States cannot be used under 50 Hz electricity. Can anyone help me out on this one? Junichiro ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: LaserSpeed vs. new Laser Prep Date: 6-MAR-15:44: Bugs & Features We've found that LaserSpeed does not work correctly with the new Laser Prep (or LaserWriter) file distributed with System 4.0. Our workaround is to run the System 3.2 versions of LaserWriter and Laser Prep along with System 4.0/Finder 5.4 This seems OK, and we'll report more if we find further problems. Ric Ford, Jon Oski "MacInTouch" ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER Subject: Word 3.0 Date: 6-MAR-22:56: Bugs & Features Is this a bug or what? Say you have a style set with Palatino, 12 pt. as the default font. For what- ever reason, you do a line or paragraph in Helvetica, and during that line, you add BOLD and ITALIC to a word, and then want to go back to plain Helvetica. In every other Mac application I know of, you can simply choose Plain Text which will remove one or more Styles and return you to the plain text you were using. Not in Word 3.0! Choosing Plain Text not only removes any Styles that you had added, but dumps you back to the default font you have set for that document, in this case, Palatino. To stay with a new font, you have to select each individual added Style again to remove it. Guess it's a "feature"....grin. Alf ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH Subject: HFS Backup 2.0 and System 4.0 Date: 6-MAR-23:28: Business Mac I just tried PCPC's HFS Backup 2.0 under System 4.0. It worked fine. I did a backup from a Hard Disk Partition volume (HFS) to five floppies. I then restored all data to a different partition, deleted one file, and restored that single file from the same set of backups. No problems encountered, and I just logged on with that file (which was a Red Ryder procedure). While this isn't a thorough test, it's a good start. Ric ------------------------------ From: DSACHS Subject: LaserWriter Driver Bug Date: 6-MAR-23:34: Bugs & Features The new LaserWriter driver and its LaserPrep file have changed how fonts are defined, in such a manner that some Fontographer created FONTs will not work properly. Composite FONTs based on Helvetica will not work unless at least 1 character of Helvetica text appears before the font is used. ------------------------------ From: ASCII Subject: Just for Fun Date: 7-MAR-02:52: Programming For those of you with SE's, try this: Hit the interrupt button and enter the resident debugger; Type G 141DA9A Sit back and watch the show. Reset to disengage. Credit goes out to Roy Weaver at Ann Arbor Softworks for this one. -- Bob ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************