INFO-MAC@SUMEX-AIM.STANFORD.EDU (Moderator Dwayne Virnau...) (03/09/87)
INFO-MAC Digest Sunday, 8 Mar 1987 Volume 5 : Issue 62
Today's Topics:
VBL tasks?
Mouse freeze?
Mouse freeze: defroster
Kermit for the Mac+
Font Problem with MacKermit
Using a modem from AppleTalk query
addq.w for popping arguments?
2 key rollover on new Macs?
Laserwriter bug
256K Roms for the Mac+
RE: Mac SE comments
Re: SE First Impression
re: SE First Impression
Information on Macintosh II and Macintosh SE ROMs
Notes on the Script Manager
Need information about Jasmine 80mb
Time Billing for Lawyers
Delphi Mac Digest V3 #14
Delphi Mac Digest V3 #15
Usenet Mac Digest V3 #18
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From: "Steve Munson" <sbm@purdue.edu>
Subject: VBL tasks?
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 87 09:17:39 EST
Does anyone know what happens to installed VBL tasks when an application
exits? I haven't seen this explained in Inside Macintosh. Does the VBL
task record remain in the VBL queue when the application heap is
reinitialized?
Steve Munson
sbm@Purdue.EDU
sbm@Purdue.CSNET
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Subject: Mouse freeze?
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 87 13:02:18 EST
From: sbm@purdue.edu
Can anyone tell me what is happening when the mouse freezes? Interrupts
are enabled, so mouse interrupts either aren't happening or aren't being
processed. Is there some common thing that causes this? Why would my
program freeze the mouse when I click in the menu bar or drag region, but
not in the content region or desktop?
Steve Munson
sbm@Purdue.EDU
sbm@Purdue.CSNET
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From: dudek@utai.UUCP (Greg Dudek)
Subject: Mouse freeze: defroster
Date: 2 Mar 87 04:44:09 GMT
Well, people have been complaining about how annoying it is to
have to re-boot when the mouse freezes. I know I've found it a
pain. The enclosed FKEY (function key) resource calls the ROM
to re-init the SCC and hence "defrost" the mouse.
It calls a routine I found in the 128K ROM, so it almost certainly
will NOT work on the 64K ROM machines. I found the routine using
Macsbug and didn't work too hard at figuring it out, so although
I've used it repeatedly without trouble, I'm not making any promises.
WARNING: mouse freeze is characteristic of wild memory references by a
program. The faulty program may have done other nasty things too,
so be prepared for sudden system crashes even if the mouse does
de-frost.
Greg Dudek
Dept. of Computer Science (vision group) University of Toronto
Usenet: {linus, ihnp4, allegra, decvax, floyd}!utcsri!dudek
CSNET: dudek@ai.toronto.edu
ARPA: dudek%ai.toronto.edu@csnet-relay
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 87 14:54:36 PST
From: <ENGVAX!CHRIS@lindy.STANFORD.EDU>
Reply-to: CHRIS%ENGVAX.UUCP@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Kermit for the Mac+
[bug poison]
I have a Mac+, and a newly attached modem (Mini DIN 8 -> Generic
Modem) thanks to information from this forum and a new sodering iron. Now
the big question is, how best to make my Mac talk to the VAX at work. A
friend gave me something called "FreeTerm" that includes the ability to
transfer files via XMODEM. This worked nicely enough for me to copy a
"new" version of MacKermit over. Great! Now I have a nice PD VT100
emulator and file transfer utility for my Mac, but one little problem, I
can't use the keypad with it!
What I want to know is:
A) What is the most recent version of Kermit for the Mac?
B) Does this include support for the Mac+ keypad and arrow keys?
C) If not B, then are there any good PD or Shareware terminal emulation
programs out there that have support for the Mac+ keypad and arrow
keys? Do these include support for Kermit or XMODEM?
Chris Yoder UUCP -- {allegra or ihnp4}!scgvaxd!engvax!chris
Hughes Aircraft Company ARPA -- chris%engvax.uucp@usc-oberon.usc.edu
BITNET -- chris%engvax.uucp@ymir.bitnet
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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 87 13:09:31 PST
From: <RHG@uregina1.bitnet>
Reply-to: RHG%UREGINA1.BITNET@forsythe.stanford.edu
Subject: Font Problem with MacKermit
My Kermit is now working properly on my MacPlus. It seems that Kermit
wants to use font family ID=128 (and ID=129) not VT100 9 and VT 100 9
Bold fonts on the MacPlus. Now on my system 128 corresponds to VT100
and 129 corresponds to VT100 Bold and Icon corresponds to ID=130.
Previously Icon=128, VT100=129, and VT100Bold=130. Thus Kermit selected
the Icon 12 because the Icon 9 was not available. When I tested Kermit
on the 400K formatted diskette, Icon was numbered something like 55, not
128, and the VT100 font inside of Kermit was numbered 129. Thus Kermit
selected the default applicantion font, Geneva 9. When I tested on the
800K formatted diskette I used the same Kermit with the same internal(ly
numbered) fonts ie 129 and 130 and no fonts numbered 128 in the system.
Thus again it selected the default application font.
MacKermit originally contained the correctly numbered and proper fonts.
However the Font/DA mover reported it to be an Icon 9 font because its
family number was 128. The first "foreign font" installed on my
system was number 128, ie Icon 12.
I extend my thanks to all on the network who helped me to solve this
very vexing problem.
Robert H Greenfield <RHG@UREGINA1>
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From: enea!sal!dk@seismo.CSS.GOV
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 87 12:32:59 +0100
Subject: Using a modem from AppleTalk query
I want to be able to use a modem from my Mac communication software and
having the modem connected to AppleTalk. The modem should be selectable
from all the Mac's and be able to handle normal modem signals like DCD. Is
there some device available that does that?
Danny
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From: "Steve Munson" <sbm@purdue.edu>
Subject: addq.w for popping arguments?
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 87 09:31:12 EST
This is a nastiness that really bugs me, and I really can't believe what
I see. I noticed that Aztec C uses addq.w on the stack pointer to pop
arguments after function calls. If I understand addq.w correctly, this has
obvious drawbacks. If the stack pointer is on a 64K boundary, addq.w will
not carry into the high word of SP, and the stack pointer will end up
pointing into no man's land. Fortunately, this has never happened to me
yet (I don't think), but I consider that to be pure coincidence. What
REALLY bugs me is that I have found that the Macintosh ROM also uses addq.w
to pop arguments. Hence, every program run on a Macintosh has a bug just
waiting to happen, and there is no way programmers can fix it. What's the
story here?
While I am seeing red, let me mention another problem. Did you know that
both the Aztec debugger and the Mac+ ROM debugger run with interrupts
ENABLED? Who's responsible for this? How can I debug a program when a
buggy VBL task might come along and erase memory any 60th of a second? I
have already decided that I can't recommend Aztec C, but why does Apple
have to keep shooting itself in the foot?
OK, I think I'm calming down now....
Steve Munson
sbm@Purdue.EDU
sbm@Purdue.CSNET
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Subject: 2 key rollover on new Macs?
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 87 10:16:05 -0500
From: James J Dempsey <jjd@ALEXANDER.BBN.COM>
One bug in my Mac+ which really bothers me is the 2-key rollover on
the keyboard. (2-key rollover means that if two keys are already
depressed, no other key will generate a character.) This is important
for those of us who type fast, but leave our fingers on the keys too
long. It has gotten to the point where I have defined Unix aliases for
commonly mistyped commands. (Like "moe" for "more", "jos" for "jobs")
Does anyone know if the Mac SE or the Mac II has fixed this problem?
Since they supposedly use the same keyboard as the Apple II GS,
perhaps someone with a IIGS can answer.
Thanks.
Jim Dempsey
BBN Communications
jjd@bbn.com (Internet)
..!{decvax, harvard, ihnp4, wjh12}!bbnccv!jjd (UUCP)
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 87 10:57:03 PST
From: PUGH%CCC.MFENET@nmfecc.arpa
Subject: Laserwriter bug
From the MacApp 1.0 release notes without permission:
There is a sporadic bug in Laserwriter Driver 3.1 which can cause heap space
to be permanently lost. This only occurs when a bitmap font is downloaded to
the Laserwriter. Bitmap fonts are only downloaded when font substitution is
off in Page Setup (font substitution is always off if you set FractEnable to
TRUE or turn off the driver's line layout algorithm) and the user selects
Geneva, New York, or Monoco, or if the user selects any other font which is
not available in Postscript form (such as Athens or Mobile). The driver finds
the largest available size of that font, makes it unpurgeable, then downloads
it. Occationally the driver will not make the font purgeable again, and it
remains in memory until the application quits. Since the font is the largest
size the driver could find, it takes a significant amount of space (8K for
Geneva 24 [23K for Calligraphy 36]). This bug will be fixed in a future
release of the Laserwriter driver.
For your information...
Jon
N L pugh@nmfecc.arpa
M A L National Magnetic Fusion Energy Computer Center
F T N Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
E L PO Box 5509 L-561
C Livermore, California 94550
C (415) 423-4239
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Date: 5 Mar 87 09:43:00 EST
From: <bouldin@ceee-sed.arpa>
Subject: 256K Roms for the Mac+
Reply-to: <bouldin@ceee-sed.arpa>
In all the announcements recently, there was one outstanding omission. No
announcement of 256K Roms for the Mac+. Unlike the 512E, the Mac+ can address
256K of Rom. Does anyone have any notions about Apple's plans (or lack of) for
a further Rom upgrade for the Plus??
It's bad enough that there is no upgrad path to the SE from the Plus, I sure
hope that we at least get a Rom upgrade.
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 87 12:15:17 est
From: rs4u#@andrew.cmu.edu (Richard Siegel)
Subject: RE: Mac SE comments
I haven't seen either an SE or a II, but I have seen the dealer info and
the new system software. The new stuff (a developers'-only release, not to
be distributed or licensed) is pretty nice. There's a new shutdown manager,
so (as Tom Dowdy sais) you don't have to beat the hard drive to turn off
the power; the machine tells you when it's safe to turn off. (This should
be especially nice when Unix rolls around, too).
I bumped head-on into the new mouse scaling; mine somehow came out to
ultra-fast. I would suspect that the new scaling speeds are more for larger
screens than for power users. On my 512K Mac I had an EXTREMELY difficult
time selecting text and doing other tricky stuff with the scaling set to
high speed, but I suspect that to zip across a Radius you'd need it.
According to the dealer info, there is NO UPGRADE PATH from existing
machines to MacSE or Mac II. This is because of the radical physical
difference between existing Macs and the new models.
Rich
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From: jww@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Joel West)
Date: 5 Mar 87 17:16:41 GMT
Subject: Re: SE First Impression
Date: 5 Mar 87 17:16:38 GMT
The SE has no alternate screen buffer? I guess that answers the
question we were trying to get an answer out of Apple on. It
also indicates why at least the Plus will stick around for a while
on -- it's the last machine that will run many arcade games.
The 15-20% speedup is because the 68000 is having less (no?)
cycles stolen for doing the video refresh. The actual hardware
used for the SE is unknown to me, but I heard a rumor that Apple
(gasp!) actually added a special chip for video display, rather
than doing it all in software, as they did since the Apple I.
Joel West
{ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww (ihnp4!gould9!joel once I fix news)
jww@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu if you must
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 87 12:42:49 PST
From: gunther.pa@Xerox.COM
Subject: re: SE First Impression
Thanks for taking the trouble to document your impressions.
Having only read press releases, I'm unable to learn whether or not the
'single expansion slot' in the SE is a NuBus slot, an IBM-AT slot or yet
another slot.
Even if "nothing is sitting in it", can you (or anybody else reading
this msg) identify it?
Neil.
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 87 15:40:16 pst
From: apple!jordan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jordan Mattson)
Subject: Information on Macintosh II and Macintosh SE ROMs
In reply to a request from Joel West for information from Inside Macintosh
Volume V:
The new features of the Macintosh II and Macintosh SE are included in the
256K ROMs present in these Machines. The Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
have different 256K ROMs. What follows is a summary of the extensions to
existing managers and new managers in the Macintosh II and Macintosh SE,
telling which machine has which features.
Quick Draw- Addition of Color QuickDraw
Macintosh II
Color Manager- Supplies color-selection support for Color QuickDraw and
provides a consistent way to produce color displays
Macintosh II
Color Picker Package- A new package that applications can use to present a
standard interface for color selection.
Macintosh II
Palette Manager- Supports the use of a collection of colors when you draw
objects with Color QuickDraw.
Font Manager- Addition with enhanced cached width support and a better font
substitution scheme. The FractEnable routine has been put into ROM and
various bugs have been fixed. On Macintosh II, color font support and
cached synthesized strike support has been added.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Tool Box Event Manager- The keyboard message has been enhanced to make
provision for multiple keyboards and 16-bit character codes. Also, new
global variables have been added to help you distinguish among keyboards.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Window Manager- Additions to support Macintosh II color. All changes are
backwards-compatible, therefore existing programs on monochrome ROM will
continue to work and produce the same screen display as before.
Macintosh II
Control Manager- Additions to support Macintosh II color. All changes to
support color controls are backward-compatible, therefore existing programs
based on the monochrome ROM will continue to work and produce the same
screen display as before.
Macintosh II
Menu Manager- Additions to support Macintosh II color and hierachical
menus. Bug fix to DrawMenuBar.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Text Edit- Addition to support font, style, size and color variation.
Script manager support. Bug fixes. Backward compatiable.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Dialog Manager- Addition to support Macintosh II color in dialogs and
dialog items.
Macintosh II
International Utilities- Addition to support Script Manager.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Script Manager- New features. Allows applications to function correctly
with non-Roman writing systems as well as Roman writing systems.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Notification Manager- Allows background activities send messages to the
user in a simple and consistent manner.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Control Panel- Has been modified to be expandable.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Start Manager- New feature. Coordinates the initialization and system
startup procedures on the Macintosh II.
Macintosh II
Apple DeskTop Bus- Information on writing special device drivers that
interfaces devices using the Apple DeskTop Bus.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
File Manager- Information on writing an external file system.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Printing Manager- Moved from system file in ROM. Addition of low-level
printer calls in the form of new predefined parameter constants for
PrCtlCall. New error codes for the LaserWriter have been added.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Device Manager- Modified to support slots.
Macintosh II
Slot Manager- Contains routines that let your programs identify cards
plugged into NuBus slots in the Macintosh II and communicate with the
firmware on each card.
Macintosh II
Deferred Task Manager- Provides improved interrupt handling for Macintosh
II by allowing lengthy tasks to be deferred.
Macintosh II
Disk Driver- Modified to provide logical drive numbers that may not
correspond to physical drive addresses.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Sound Manager- Replaces the Sound Driver. Gives a more flexible way of
doing sound generation, while still supporting the data structures,
routines, and synthesizers of the 64K and 128K ROM Sound Driver.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
AppleTalk Manager- Enhanced through addition of new protocols and increased
functionality of the existing interface.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Vertical Retrace Manager - Enhanced to provide flexible, slot specific
video interrupt handling on the Macintosh II. This is how multiple screens
are supported.
Macintosh II
Shutdown Manager- Provides a consistent way to reboot and turn off the
Macintosh, from the Finder as well as from within an application.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Resource Manager- Placement of certian resources in ROM on Macintosh II and
Macintosh SE.
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE
Hope this helps to outline some of the toolbox additions and changes on the
Macintosh II and Macintosh SE. If you have any questions, feel free to
contact me. Also, Inside Macintosh Volume V will be available from APDA
(Apple Programmer's and D Developer's Assoication) on March 15.
Jordan MattsonUUCP: ucbvax!mtxinu!apple!jordan
Apple Computer, Inc.CSNET: jordan@apple.CSNET
Tools & Languages Product Management
20525 Mariani Avenue, MS 27S
Cupertino, CA 95014
408-973-4601
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Date: Fri, 6 Mar 87 11:46:50 pst
From: apple!jordan@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jordan Mattson)
Subject: Notes on the Script Manager
In response to Joel West's posting on the Script Manager.
Both the Macintosh SE and the Macintosh II have the Script Manager in ROM.
The Script Manager supports all writing systems (scripts). It is not
just for non-Roman (based on Latin) scripts. In fact, text edit now uses
the Script Manager, and all calls when processing English text go to the
Script Manager and from there to the Roman Interface System (RIS).
The Script Manager does not support any script directly, but rather,
based on the script in use, calls a Script Interface System (SIS) to
perform the specific procedure calls needed for a given application. So
what you have is a layered architecture that looks like this:
Application
V
Script Manager
V
Script Interface System
At present there are three Script Interface Systems: Roman Interface
System (RIS), Kanji Interface System (KIS), and Arabic Interface System
(AIS). A Hebrew Interface System (HEIS) and a Hanze Interface System (HIS)
are under development.
A Kanji dictionary is not built into the ROM of the new machines, instead
if you are using the Kanji Interface System on the new machines you would
load Kanji like a font. The Kanji Macintosh, which is distributed in
Japan, is the Macintosh which has been modified to have a Kanji dictionary
in ROM.
The Script Manager is included in the ROMs of the Macintosh SE and the
Macintosh II. It will be available as a system patch in the Universial
System Disk, which will be distributed later this year. Therefore, the
Script Manager will be available on all of our machines.
I hope that this information will clear up any confusion that might be
present.
Jordan Mattson UUCP: ucbvax!mtxinu!apple!jordan
Apple Computer, Inc. CSNET: jordan@apple.CSNET
Tools & Languages Product Management
20525 Mariani Avenue, MS 27S
Cupertino, CA 95014
408-973-4601
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Date: 7 Mar 1987 21:32:53 EST
Subject: Need information about Jasmine 80mb
From: T. Chang <CHANGT@A.ISI.EDU>
Hi, there!
Has anyone used Jasmine 80mb? A lot of people posted about Jasmine 20mb,
but none for 80mb, could you please give us some information about it?
Thanks in advance
To Chang
changt@a.isi.edu
smc 1538
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA 93943
(408)646-5487
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Date: Sat 7 Mar 87 20:35:55-AST
From: Peter Gergely <GERGELY@DREA-XX.ARPA>
Subject: Time Billing for Lawyers
Does anyone have any hands-on experience with any "Time Accounting
and/or Billing" Packages for Lawyers on the Macintosh. The only package
I have heard of is Legal Billing by Satori Software, but cannot get any
information on it. Please send replies directly to me, and I will
summarize for the Net if there are any replies.
Peter
Note: I am not a lawyer, but am doing the research for a Local Law
firm having 4 Mac Plus's.
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 87 10:22 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET>
Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #14
Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, March 7, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 14
Today's Topics:
RE: KANJI FONT FOR THE MAC
Re: Vertical Retrace Tasks
using full mac screen (2 messages)
LightSpeed Pascal
RE: INFO-MAC Digest V5 #58
Re: WmgrPort/Desktop Drawing
LaserWriter/LaserPrep 3.3
Hard Disk Partition
RE: MacPub<>RSG 3.0 (4 messages)
RE: AppleWorld report #1 (2 messages)
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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 87 10:23 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET>
Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #15
Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, March 7, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 15
Today's Topics:
DataFrame and System 4.0 (3 messages)
Ruggedized VME boards
word bomb (4 messages)
Word 3.0 Help (2 messages)
RE: damaged disk
RE: turning things off (2 messages)
RE: Apple software & Etc. (2 messages)
New Apple files...
Shutdown Mgr (5 messages)
hooking into LSC stdio... (3 messages)
RE: SE First Impression (2 messages)
50 Hz or 60 Hz?
LaserSpeed vs. new Laser Prep
Word 3.0
HFS Backup 2.0 and System 4.0
LaserWriter Driver Bug
Just for Fun
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Date: Sun, 8 Mar 87 13:54 EDT
From: Jeffrey Shulman <SHULMAN%slb-test.csnet@RELAY.CS.NET>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #18
Usenet Mac Digest Sunday, March 8, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 18
Today's Topics:
Any hardware hacks out there?
Re: Remote Mac Access
Printing thin lines on the LaserWriter
process modeling tool on Mac
Re: Generic Printer Driver Needed
IFF to PICT
MacPlus to IW-I problems
Re: IFF to PICT
halfsies (request from MOUSEKETEER on mod.sys.mac)
Re: UNIX & LaserWriters
Systems/Finder combinations to be used with which Macs
Mac 512E SCSIs and Other Information
Re: WORD 3.0 is great!
Have any cheap laserwriters been announced?
"APPLE" Dealer Directory (phone number)
Re: Systems/Finder combinations to be used with which Macs
Re: process modeling tool on Mac
ROMS and NuBus
Kanji Fonts or Kanji Talk
Re: New Shutdown
new system/finder
MacXL WD2001 Use
Re: Mac II (2 messages)
TML Source Code Lib and Database Toolkit
Re: ROMS and NuBus
Re: MacXL WD2001 Use
Hierical Block Diagrams?
How to use the clipboard of Word?
Re: MacXL WD2001 Use
Linking LSC stdio into the Mac Interface
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