jam@dcl-cs.UUCP (John A. Mariani) (07/05/85)
In article <1452@shark.UUCP> hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) writes: >In article <2409@topaz.ARPA> jsweet@uci-icsa writes: >>From: Jerry Sweet <jsweet@uci-icsa> >>Book 41: a few months ago, I saw a book named "A Barnstormer In Oz", by >>Philip Jose Farmer > > >As usual, Farmer completely destroys the character of the stories, making >something cheap, tawdry, and mildly pornographic out of the mileau of Oz. > >Hutch As usual? Disclaimer : I haven't read any of Baum's books but I have seen the Judy Garland film. What Farmer does is to look at a fictional place/situation as if it was *real*! This implies an adult, rational view of fantastic situations i.e. how *does* the strawman *exist*? I can appreciate Baum's readers would be offended, as Hutch above ... but, I found the book quite entertaining. I guess, as always, its up to you, but if you want to take a different view of a well-known place, this is worth a read. -- UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc!icdoc!dcl-cs!jam DARPA: jam%lancs.comp@ucl-cs | Post: University of Lancaster, JANET: jam@uk.ac.lancs.comp | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 ext 4467 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK.
JAFFE@RUTGERS.ARPA (07/08/85)
From: dcl-cs!jam (John A. Mariani) In article <1452@shark.UUCP> hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) writes: >In article <2409@topaz.ARPA> jsweet@uci-icsa writes: >>From: Jerry Sweet <jsweet@uci-icsa> >>Book 41: a few months ago, I saw a book named "A Barnstormer In Oz", by >>Philip Jose Farmer > > >As usual, Farmer completely destroys the character of the stories, making >something cheap, tawdry, and mildly pornographic out of the mileau of Oz. > >Hutch As usual? Disclaimer : I haven't read any of Baum's books but I have seen the Judy Garland film. What Farmer does is to look at a fictional place/situation as if it was *real*! This implies an adult, rational view of fantastic situations i.e. how *does* the strawman *exist*? I can appreciate Baum's readers would be offended, as Hutch above ... but, I found the book quite entertaining. I guess, as always, its up to you, but if you want to take a different view of a well-known place, this is worth a read. -- UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc!icdoc!dcl-cs!jam DARPA: jam%lancs.comp@ucl-cs | Post: University of Lancaster, JANET: jam@uk.ac.lancs.comp | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 ext 4467 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK.
hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) (07/09/85)
In article <286@dcl-cs.UUCP> jam@dcl-cs.UUCP (John A. Mariani) writes: >In article <1452@shark.UUCP> hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) writes: >>In article <2409@topaz.ARPA> jsweet@uci-icsa writes: >>>From: Jerry Sweet <jsweet@uci-icsa> >>>Book 41: a few months ago, I saw a book named "A Barnstormer In Oz", by >>>Philip Jose Farmer >> >> >>As usual, Farmer completely destroys the character of the stories, making >>something cheap, tawdry, and mildly pornographic out of the mileau of Oz. >> >>Hutch > >As usual? > >Disclaimer : I haven't read any of Baum's books but I have seen the Judy >Garland film. > >What Farmer does is to look at a fictional place/situation as if it was >*real*! This implies an adult, rational view of fantastic situations i.e. >how *does* the strawman *exist*? I can appreciate Baum's readers would >be offended, as Hutch above ... but, I found the book quite entertaining. >I guess, as always, its up to you, but if you want to take a different >view of a well-known place, this is worth a read. Rather than let this degenerate into a series of opinionated flames, I will admit that I have grown very tired of Farmer's more casual work, but I do want to point out that Farmer doesn't look at a place as if it were real. He writes about it as if it were what HE thinks of as real. The trouble is, real doesn't have to be "adult" in that sense. For another instance of Farmer tampering with the work of other authors, resulting in garbage, look at what he did to Tarzan of the Apes. Actually, I think he's done two such things, "Lord Tyger" and this pseudo-history thing whose name I forget that ties Doc Savage, Greystoke, and n-thousand other heroes together into the same family tree (unnecessary!). Hutch
jam@dcl-cs.UUCP (John A. Mariani) (07/15/85)
In article <1457@shark.UUCP> hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) writes: >In article <286@dcl-cs.UUCP> jam@dcl-cs.UUCP (John A. Mariani) writes: >>In article <1452@shark.UUCP> hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison) writes: >>>In article <2409@topaz.ARPA> jsweet@uci-icsa writes: >>>>From: Jerry Sweet <jsweet@uci-icsa> >>>>Book 41: a few months ago, I saw a book named "A Barnstormer In Oz", by >>>>Philip Jose Farmer >>> >>> >>>As usual, Farmer completely destroys the character of the stories, making >>>something cheap, tawdry, and mildly pornographic out of the mileau of Oz. >>> >>As usual? >> >Rather than let this degenerate into a series of opinionated flames, why not? >admit that I have grown very tired of Farmer's more casual work, but I do >want to point out that Farmer doesn't look at a place as if it were real. >Farmer tampering with the work of other authors, resulting in garbage, look >at what he did to Tarzan of the Apes. Actually, I think he's done two such >things, "Lord Tyger" and this pseudo-history thing whose name I forget that >ties Doc Savage, Greystoke, and n-thousand other heroes together into the >same family tree (unnecessary!). > >Hutch OK thats your opinion but I think fellow netters (esp. these guys who use *really* obscure quotes as their sign-offs) would positively revel in the minutae and tortuous connections drawn by Farmer to form the legendary Wold Newton family tree .... I stand by what I said ... if U want to visit well-known characters and situations reflected in PJF's mind, "Barnstormer in Oz" is well worth a look. Be Seeing You (non-obscure sign-off) -- UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!ukc!icdoc!dcl-cs!jam DARPA: jam%lancs.comp@ucl-cs | Post: University of Lancaster, JANET: jam@uk.ac.lancs.comp | Department of Computing, Phone: +44 524 65201 ext 4467 | Bailrigg, Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK.