bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) (07/04/85)
Expires: Well, what about the ``farmers'' in the future in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY? (Come to think of it, didn't they come back in the last few pages of CHAPTERHOUSE: DUNE? :-) They pulled stunts like causing ``kettles'' to not be able to go beyond the 100,000th century, and the work at the end that caused the future to be changed (and, according to latest rumor, replaced aliens with even stranger humans (i.e. Second Foundationers))? --bsa -- Brandon Allbery, Unix Consultant -- 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, OH 44131 decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!bsa; ncoast!bsa@case.csnet; +1 216 524 1416; 74106,1032 ========================> Trekkies have Warped minds. <=======================
JAFFE@RUTGERS.ARPA (07/08/85)
From: ncoast!bsa (Brandon Allbery) Expires: Well, what about the ``farmers'' in the future in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY? (Come to think of it, didn't they come back in the last few pages of CHAPTERHOUSE: DUNE? :-) They pulled stunts like causing ``kettles'' to not be able to go beyond the 100,000th century, and the work at the end that caused the future to be changed (and, according to latest rumor, replaced aliens with even stranger humans (i.e. Second Foundationers))? --bsa -- Brandon Allbery, Unix Consultant -- 6504 Chestnut Road, Independence, OH 44131 decvax!cwruecmp!ncoast!bsa; ncoast!bsa@case.csnet; +1 216 524 1416; 74106,1032 ========================> Trekkies have Warped minds. <=======================
franka@mmintl.UUCP (Frank Adams) (07/09/85)
In article <754@ncoast.UUCP> bsa@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon Allbery) writes: >Well, what about the ``farmers'' in the future in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY? I believe you are referring to Asimov's novel _The_End_of_Eternity_. It does indeed deal with manipulating time, and I always thought it was one of his better works.
friedman@h-sc1.UUCP (dawn friedman) (07/10/85)
> From: ncoast!bsa (Brandon Allbery) > > Expires: > > Well, what about the ``farmers'' in the future in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY? > (Come to think of it, didn't they come back in the last few pages of > CHAPTERHOUSE: DUNE? :-) > > They pulled stunts like causing ``kettles'' to not be able to go beyond > the 100,000th century, and the work at the end that caused the future to > be changed (and, according to latest rumor, replaced aliens with even stranger > humans (i.e. Second Foundationers))? > > --bsa Yow! I waited and waited, but no one cleared this up; was it entirely a joke? Anyway, I was going to mention this book, one of the most control-oriented of all the time control stories: _The End of Eternity_, by Asimov, which discusses the moral and long-term (100,000 centuries) effects of editing reality. The hero is an Engineer for the people who have displaced themselves from the timestream to a 'place' called Eternity, from which they manipulate events for the utilitarian good. Realities are simply deleted if they work out badly, replaced by some alternative. The hero's job, which is actually implementing the grandfather-killing operations (usually more subtle changes than that are all that are necessary), is somewhat stigmatized because no one can quite deal with the fact that they are eliminating the works and dreams and thoughts of millions of people whenever they make one of these changes. ("A billion personalities changed -- just a Technician's yawn" goes one Eternity catchphrase.) Very interesting ideas, slightly waxen characters, some less than believable situations -- typical very good Asimov. dsf (the Speaker)
gary@think.ARPA (Gary Sabot) (07/10/85)
Did anyone notice that the girl from planet Gaiea (spelling?) in Foundation's Edge seems suspiciously like the girl who went back in time with the engineer in The End of Eternity-- is she a robot who changed history because of the First Law? Is Asimov really going to tie everything he ever wrote together in the next foundation book?
john@hp-pcd.UUCP (john) (07/15/85)
<< << Did anyone notice that the girl from planet Gaiea (spelling?) in << Foundation's Edge seems suspiciously like the girl who went back in time << with the engineer in The End of Eternity-- is she a robot who changed << history because of the First Law? Is Asimov really going to tie << everything he ever wrote together in the next foundation book? /* ---------- */ Nice guess but no dice. The 111,394 that Noyes lived in existed in a completely different reality than Gaia did. They could not be the same person (thing?). Isaac does seem to be tying all of his works together into a single unifed story. The next episode will probably take us to Earth to find out what has happened there since Pebble in the Sky. I expect that we will find out that Noyes was behind sending Joseph Schwartz into the future (could he have been sent to the new 111,394?). She arrived on earth 17 years before he left and having viewed future realities could have known that he was crucial to developing a galactic empire. John Eaton !hplabs!hp-pcd!john
cramer@kontron.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) (07/26/85)
> Expires: > > Well, what about the ``farmers'' in the future in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY? > (Come to think of it, didn't they come back in the last few pages of > CHAPTERHOUSE: DUNE? :-) > Are you referring to Asimov's THE END OF ETERNITY?