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Arms-Discussion Digest Saturday, December 6, 1986 3:51PM Volume 7, Issue 77 Today's Topics: Administrivia (BITNET readers take special note) policy on LOW: footnote in OTA report SDI (and arms race) desirability War by robots, humans "not involved"??? What does that mean? Forwarding Arms-D Matter - Anti-matter Propulsion Re: Santa Claus Poem Re: SDI "pilot plant" test SDI as promoted has boost-phase intercept, offensive capability List Re: New book, *The Automated Battlefield* Re: Defending Kwajalein Orbiting Gravel Launch on warning and the president's military advisor Launch on warning and the president's military advisor Launch on warning Launch on warning LOW ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Dec 86 14:28:18 -0800 From: arms-d-request@xx.lcs.mit.edu re: Administrivia TO ALL BITNET READERS: IN THE FUTURE, YOU WILL BE RECEIVING ARMS-D FROM GROSS%BCVAX3.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU who has graciously volunteered to act as a BITNET redistribution site. ------------------------------ Subject: policy on LOW: footnote in OTA report Date: Tue, 02 Dec 86 14:28:18 -0800 From: Dave Suess (CSL) <zeus@aero2.ARPA> (In case this hasn't been cited already) The OTA report "Ballistic Missile Defense Technologies" (Sept. '85, as reprinted in "Strategic Defenses," Princeton University Press, 1986, ISBN 0-691-02252-6) has a footnote (page 56) that states, "For many years it has been U.S. policy to have a capability to launch on warning. Although we have no declared policy to do so, the possibility that we might is a part of our deterrent posture." Dave Suess (zeus@aero2.arpa) (I am not a spokesman for my employer.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue 2 Dec 86 20:13:23-EST From: Calton Pu <CALTON@CS.COLUMBIA.EDU> Subject: SDI (and arms race) desirability I have posted a message on "Reykjavik Mystery" some time ago, asking why Reagan and Gorbachev abandoned a possible missile ban because of a hypothetical SDI deployment. Also, why 65% of American public thought Reagan did the right thing. The answers say that both Reagan and Gorbachev want supermacy, and therefore they have to make SDI an issue independently of the missiles themselves. Also, American public would support SDI for presumed ignorance (insufficient information), irrationality (love Reagan), and greed (personal gains). Is there a chance that a good percentage of the American public actually support SDI and Reagan because they want American supremacy? This question occurred to me after the Grenada invasion, er, liberation. Maybe the concept of domination, winning, and being Number One is deeply rooted in the American culture, so people tend naturally to support American efforts to achieve victory in any kind of contest. If this hypothesis is valid, then the arms race will continue not because of public ignorance or greed, but to keep the American pride, to satisfy the need for victory after victory. This hypothesis implies that a better informed public will continue to support arms race. Any comments? Any suggestions to test this hypothesis? -Calton- fearfully cognizant ------------------------------ Date: 1986 December 02 22:02:46 PST (=GMT-8hr) From: Robert Elton Maas <REM%IMSSS@SU-AI.ARPA> Subject:War by robots, humans "not involved"??? What does that mean? <GC> Date: Tuesday, 25 November 1986 17:54-EST <GC> From: Gary Chapman <chapman at russell.stanford.edu> <GC> Re: New book, *The Automated Battlefield* <GC> I have finally picked up a copy of Frank Barnaby's new book, *The <GC> Automated Battlefield* (The Free Press, $18.95 hardcover). I am <GC> having a hard time believing what I find in it. <GC> ... <GC> Barnaby only rhetorically asks what it would take to produce a victory <GC> in a war of robots against robots. I find it incredible that we've <GC> reached a stage where such a question is on the public agenda. A <GC> Deputy Director of DARPA recently asked me what I could have against <GC> war involving only robots. I was, for a while, speechless. I can't --- --------- ---- ------ <GC> understand the world view that would produce a question like that. What does that phrase mean? Does it mean only robots fight the war, or only robots are hurt by the war. If robots fight the war, but human civilians get killed by the robots in massive numbers, possibly becoming extinct as the robots continue to fight even after all visible humans are gone, that's the very thing we are trying to prevent!! If it means only robots are hurt by the war, I don't believe it. I don't see how after one nation's robots totally defeat the other nation's robots, the winning nation won't proceed to try to take over the populace of the defeated nation. I think maybe somebody is using the ambiguous phrase deliberately to switch definitions in the middle of an argument. Define the situation that only robots will fight the war, but then delude the audience that only robots will be hurt. ------------------------------ Subject: Matter - Anti-matter Propulsion Date: Wed, 03 Dec 86 07:40:10 -0800 From: crummer@aerospace.ARPA Henry Spencer mentioned some "serious" study if not work on anti-matter propulsion. This may be an even more ludicrous proposal than the Tau Ceti project. If the problem of storage of the anti-matter is not enough (It would have to be stored in a vacuum of 10^-20 torr or so to keep air molecules from detonating on it and within that, to keep it away from the container walls, it would have to reside in a magnetic bottle.), how would it be produced? Not likely from moon-mines! It can only be created by nuclear chemistry, i.e. high-energy particle accelerators. Talk about a break-even problem! The energy needed to produce even a few molecules would be prohibitive! But enough of this nay-saying! To the word processors! Let's get busy on the grant proposals! We'll have to be fast because the clandestine Iran-Contra connection may be the unravelling of this whole infantile, sci-fi atmosphere created by Ronald Reagan. --Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed 3 Dec 86 20:48:28-EST From: Richard A. Cowan <COWAN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU> Subject: Re: Santa Claus Poem [This is like the original, except the meter is slightly improved; e.g. "set fire to" is replaced by "ignited" which works better.] 'Twas the Night before Christmas -- The Very Last One ----------------------------------------------------- (Anon. 1986) 'Twas the night before Christmas -- the very last one -- When the blazing of lasers destroyed all our fun. As Santa Claus left for work, driving his sleigh, A satellite spotted him making his way. The Star Wars Defense System -- Reagan's desire Was ready for action, and started to fire! The laser beams criss-crossed and lit up the sky Like a fireworks show on the Fourth of July. I'd just finished wrapping the last of the toys When out of my chimney there came a great noise. I looked to the fireplace, hoping to see St. Nick bringing presents for missus and me. But what I saw next was disturbing and shocking: A flaming red jacket igniting my stocking! Charred reindeer remains and a melted sleigh-bell; Outside, burning toys -- like confetti they fell. So now you know, children, why Christmas is gone: The Star Wars computer had got something wrong. Only programmed for battle, it hadn't a heart; 'Twas hardly a chance it would work from the start. It couldn't be tested, and no one could tell, If the crazy contraption would work very well. So after a trillion or two had been spent The system thought Santa a Red missle sent. So kids dry your tears now, and get off to bed, There won't be a Christmas -- since Santa is dead. ------------------------------ From: mogul@decwrl.DEC.COM (Jeffrey Mogul) Date: 4 Dec 1986 1338-PST (Thursday) Subject: Re: SDI "pilot plant" test I think this is poor idea, and it illustrates the danger of decoupling the technical question of SDI feasibility from the political question of SDI desirability, and the political implications of testing SDI. If I were a Soviet defense planner, I would be most scared of an SDI "pilot plant" test, whether or not it succeeded according to Henry's criteria. For, once it has shown partial success, my opponent would have a great deal more confidence in its ability to neutralize a retaliatory strike; i.e., I would fear that the U.S. has a much better idea of how successful a first strike would be. The time-to-deployment would also be much lower, since the U.S. could afford to build a lot of hardware once it had confidence in how well it worked. This is the kind of worry that would make me build lots more ICBMs, and go to launch-on-warning much earlier in a crisis. An undeployed but tested SDI system is more destabilizing than an undeployed, untested SDI because it forces the other side to either accept an "inferior" position in the near future, or to build a bigger deterrent. While I think I'm agreeing with Henry when I believe that we could not rationally rely on an SDI without some operational test of this sort, I think the mere act of testing it changes the political environment to the point where we could put the genie back into the bottle even if the test showed that it would be infeasible to make SDI into a population defense. Testing is thus quite different from research. "Research" is when a negative result doesn't hurt you; once we start testing we cannot accept a negative result without potentially serious changes in nuclear arsenals. In this light, it is not sufficient to ask "is SDI feasible?" but rather "can we afford to find out that the answer is no?" ------------------------------ From: hplabs!pyramid!utzoo!henry@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Dec 86 21:00:57 pst Subject: SDI as promoted has boost-phase intercept, offensive capability REM writes: > But in fact any permanent (not pop-up) space-based system flies over > the USSR and has virtually instant offensive access... Therefore SDI > as currently proposed is undesirable as a whole... Why should flying over the USSR imply offensive access? If, for example, the space-based weapons cannot penetrate atmosphere, their position over the USSR is largely irrelevant. Existing large satellites fly over the USSR a great deal; surely this does not make them undesirable because they have "virtually instant offensive access". The question is not whether a defensive system is in the right position to take offensive action, because most any boost-phase system will be, but whether it is capable of using that position to take offensive action. If it's not, the position doesn't matter. Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ From: hplabs!pyramid!utzoo!henry@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Date: Fri, 5 Dec 86 13:43:47 pst Subject: Re: New book, *The Automated Battlefield* > ... Moreover, there is no discussion at all > of the prospects for the Mutually Balanced Force Reductions talks > (MBFR), which have been going on for the *last 15 years* in an attempt > to get some kind of arms control on conventional weapons in the > European theater. [emphasis added] I'm afraid I too would pay little attention to the "prospects" for talks that have been running for 15 years with no major results. Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ From: hplabs!pyramid!utzoo!henry@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Date: Fri, 5 Dec 86 13:43:08 pst Subject: Re: Defending Kwajalein > ... But you forgot to mention one important thing. The tendency > to modify the outcome of such tests, experiments and war games > to "Successful" conclusions... Yes, you're right, this is important. Some sort of third-party assessment is in order. Even if the success criterion is, as I suggested, total and absolute defense against all incoming warheads, there will still be some judgement calls about things like marginally successful kills. Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology {allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henry ------------------------------ From: Dave Berry <mcvax!itspna.ed.ac.uk!db@seismo.CSS.GOV> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 86 14:46:30 GMT Subject: Orbiting Gravel Since Herb has suggested orbiting shells of gravel for BMD, and Henry Spencer has suggested mining the asteroids to provide the armour necessary to make SDI satellites secure against pre-emptive attack, it looks like we could have an effective BMD system rather easily. All we have to do is to fetch an asteroid back to Earth orbit, blow it up, and make sure all the rubble goes where we want it to. This also has the advantage that since it would affect all missiles, the problem of one side worrying about the other preparing a first strike wouldn't apply. Now, are these really practical suggestions? What would the climatic effects of orbiting shells of gravel be? (Maybe they would counter the greenhouse effect, so we could kill two problems with one suitably large stone). What would happen when their orbits started to decay? Just how much work is needed to bring an asteroid back to Earth orbit (without hitting the Earth, please), and to convert it into rubble (or armour, for that matter)? If these aren't practical suggestions, what are they doing on the arms digest? Dave Berry. ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 3 December 1986 20:08-EST From: Clifford Johnson <GA.CJJ at forsythe.stanford.edu> To: LIN, arms-d Re: Launch on warning and the president's military advisor > Everything that you have presented to this forum suggests that > the DoD refuses to disavow LOW as an option, and I don't see > grounds for going beyond that statement. I think the new citations of LOW as the prime reason MX/Minuteman are survivable indicates an alarmingly heightened DEGREE OF RELIANCE upon the LOWC. My inference chain is quite simple. The military, essentially the Air Force *really* would LOW in some circumstances. For example, in a crisis, they'd be prepared to take such steps as make it probable that, if there were an attack, they *would* LOW. Consider, e.g., the testimony of General Burke: "The United States never has and never should renounce the possibility of doing just what you said (launch on warning). That is always there as an ultimate deterrent. We must always preserve that... We always want the option... we are going to put our finger on the trigger and he is going to put his finger on the trigger... as soon as we get into a crisis situation, long before he has pulled that trigger, we know our only choice is to use it or lose it, we are going to get very close to the trigger and he is going to know we are doing that, and he is going to do it. And I think the analogy of two scorpions in the bottle will be very apt. The other problem, of course, is there is just not much time." (House Armed Services Committee, DOD Appropriations FY 1981, 1044.) Inference #1 is: in some circumstances, e.g. stratgeic warning, the US would enact a level of alert so as to make LOW a probability in the event of an attack. Do you concur? Inferences two and three are like the mean value theorem: from the conclusion one can realistically infer the intermediate steps. If, in the event of a realistic attack, the US were configured to LOW with a truly deterrent probability, it would have to do things like provide for the possibility of launch even if satellite or radar sensors suddenly went dead (especially the former). A strategic warning, for example, could relax the "dual" phenomenology "requirement." The conclusion is that a LOW *would* occur based upon substantially risky warning. By the same token, for credibility, there would necessarily have to be preauthorization for the military to perform a LOW without real-time presidential order. If the response depended on the President being online, the USSR would have an *easy* way to prevent a LOW. So, from inference #1, I deduce that, in some circumstances, LOW would be performed -- inference #2 -- based on warning riskier than that implied by satellite/radar dual phenomenology, and -- inference #3 -- likely without real-time presidential authorization. Do you concur? If not, where does my inference break down? > They clearly have the physical power to make such a decision, > in that Looking Glass certainly has some launch codes. > However, I do not believe that they would execute an LOW in the > absence of Presidential contact under peacetime circumstances. > I'm less sure about wartime. Then you might want a 30-minute time-lock on missiles in wartime more than in peacetime? > I would want a > President informed enough (i.e., one that was smart, skeptical, > and mistrustful of computers) to refrain from saying OK, for > precisely the reasons you have described. (False alert risks.) I think our basic disagreement may be on the trust we owe the administration. My opinion is that, as a matter of fact, they can't be trusted any further than they can be seen. Evidence supporting this is abundant. In such an awesome matter, we have a *duty* not to rest on assurances which we don't have good cause to believe. Most ominously, the *de facto* "president" is construed by the military as a White House military advisor to the President: Admiral HARDISTY: Only the President or the President's successor can authorize the release of nuclear wepaons. Mr. BROOKS: What if the President and Vice-President are out, the Capitol has been slowed down and you can't find the Speaker or the President pro tempore of the Senate, and the Cabinet officers are all down here eating lunch? Who would then take over? Admiral HARDISTY: ...the continuity of government plan is the responsibility of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) and the White House, sir, and the White House military office as to who that would be. Mr. BROOKS: The White House military office? Admiral HARDISTY: As advisor to the President. Mr. BROOKS: That is kind of interesting. (Our Nation's Nuclear Warning System: Will It Work If We Need It?, hearing of a subcommittee of the House Committee on Government Operations, Sep 26, 1985.) It is with the White House military office that NORAD/SAC maintains a constantly open line. I think it unrealistic not to suppose that this unit would operate as the de facto president in a real LOWC contingency. Another job for another Colonel North. We simply cannot tolerate the fact that this might well be the situation we are in, and must demand better-than-boy-scout reassurances to the contrary. > If the Congress OK'd the operation of a LOWC, I'd find it harder > to disagree with your perception. > > I believe that Congress has in fact done so, by default, and in > the absence of specific legislation to the contrary. There *is* specific legislation to the contrary, in that the war powers act specifically prohibits such a construction from the absence of specific legislation/appropriation to the contrary. To: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1986 22:28 EST From: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Launch on warning and the president's military advisor From: Clifford Johnson <GA.CJJ at forsythe.stanford.edu> I think the new citations of LOW as the prime reason MX/Minuteman are survivable indicates an alarmingly heightened DEGREE OF RELIANCE upon the LOWC. I concur. That is consistent with the statement that I made. Inference #1 is: in some circumstances, e.g. stratgeic warning, the US would enact a level of alert so as to make LOW a probability in the event of an attack. Do you concur? No. The level of alert for MM/MX is such that they are always ready to perform an LOW, at least as I understand the DEFCON system. I don't think that level of alert would matter for the ready ICBM's. A strategic warning, for example, could relax the "dual" phenomenology "requirement." It might, or it might not. That is a judgment I don't want to make. Besides, if that is the problem, then the solution is to make the sensor system more reliable. ... for credibility, there would necessarily have to be preauthorization for the military to perform a LOW without real-time presidential order. If the response depended on the President being online, the USSR would have an *easy* way to prevent a LOW. No. If as you assume, there is a crisis, the President or at least the VP would be airborne in NEACP, and NEACP would be the one to make the LOW decision. Then you might want a 30-minute time-lock on missiles in wartime more than in peacetime? No. I don't want any mechanical restraints at all. I am willing to have my mind changed on it, but I haven't yet heard an argument I believe. I WOULD support a command destruct option built into the ICBMs, to be fired if indeed they were launched in error. I think our basic disagreement may be on the trust we owe the administration. I agree that this is probably the substance of the disagreement. In my view, the solution is to elect a good President. We had one in Carter, and I'm sorry to have seen him go. Most ominously, the *de facto* "president" is construed by the military as a White House military advisor to the President: Admiral HARDISTY: ...the continuity of government plan is the responsibility of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) and the White House, sir, and the White House military office as to who that would be. Mr. BROOKS: The White House military office? Admiral HARDISTY: As advisor to the President. I don't think that supports your position at all. The exchange you cite is not unreasonable if the circumstances outlined by Brook are present -- namely, no one there. A de facto President to me is one that acts as President even when the real President is around. Besides, it could be construed as saying that FEMA and the White House are all responsible for the continuity of government PLAN. > If the Congress OK'd the operation of a LOWC, I'd find it harder > to disagree with your perception. > > I believe that Congress has in fact done so, by default, and in > the absence of specific legislation to the contrary. There *is* specific legislation to the contrary, in that the war powers act specifically prohibits such a construction from the absence of specific legislation/appropriation to the contrary. We've been over this one too. The WP Act explicitly does not restrict the ability of the President to act responsively to immediate and sudden threat. It says he must notify Congress 48 hours after he has committed U.S. forces to action. ------------------------------ Date: Wednesday, 3 December 1986 23:54-EST From: Clifford Johnson <GA.CJJ at forsythe.stanford.edu> To: LIN, arms-d Re: Launch on warning REPLY TO 12/03/86 19:30 FROM LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU: > A strategic warning, for example, could relax > the "dual" phenomenology "requirement." > > It might, or it might not. That is a judgment I don't want to make. > Besides, if that is the problem, then the solution is to > make the sensor system more reliable. The judgment must be made by someone. The problem I've identified is the inherent limitation of sensor technology, or the inherent advantage to a first-striker. It's not reasonable simply to say we need better sensors when we can't them or don't have them. > If as you assume, there is a crisis, the President or at > least the VP would be airborne in NEACP, and NEACP would be the > one to make the LOW decision. That again is an unreasonable assumption. The evacuation of Washington would only occur in a super-telegraphed situation. Incidentally, Ford's "The Button" makes it pretty clear that Looking Glass is much better geared for the LOW decision than NEACAP. NEACAP seems to be more a "tension reliever" for peacetime, than a real command post in crisis. Remember that Air Force One took off -- without President Carter -- in the November 1979 false alert? > I WOULD support a command destruct option built into the ICBMs, > to be fired if indeed they were launched in error. Now, that I'm against, if it means relaxing the constraints on doing LOW, which it probably does mean. It fills in another rung between blue sky and nuclear war. > In my view, the solution is to elect a good President. We had > one in Carter, and I'm sorry to have seen him go. As a resident alien, I can't vote, so I sue. But, even if I could vote, we have to make sure that the President, and his advisors, do what the politicians we've elected constitutionally require. This administration's been funding Contras in violation of Congress's orders. Politics wasn't good enough, and we'd better make sure the control over nuclear weapons really is constitutional. Otherwise the vote is meaningless. > A de facto President > to me is one that acts as President even when the real President > is around. I agree... I just can't see the de facto control not being with the military advisor, given the required response time. > The War Powers Act explicitly does not > restrict the ability of the President to act responsively to > immediate and sudden threat. It says he must notify Congress 48 > hours after he has committed U.S. forces to action. It *does* explicitly restrict his ability to react to a *threat*. The notification clause operates after he *responds* to armed conflict. For example, the mining of Nicaraguan harbors was illegal fron start to finish, it didn't become illegal after 60 days expired. I do agree that the notification clause has abusively been interpreted as giving the Pres. a free hand for 60 days, but it's not that way if you read the text carefully. To: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1986 15:25 EST From: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Launch on warning The problem I've identified is the inherent limitation of sensor technology, or the inherent advantage to a first-striker. All sensors, including people, have limitations. That's not compelling to me. > If as you assume, there is a crisis, the President or at > least the VP would be airborne in NEACP, and NEACP would be the > one to make the LOW decision. That again is an unreasonable assumption. I believe you are wrong. The VP could be sent up long before anything untoward happened. The evacuation of Washington would only occur in a super-telegraphed situation. True. But no one said anything about evacuating DC. Besides, YOU posited a time of high tension. Incidentally, Ford's "The Button" makes it pretty clear that Looking Glass is much better geared for the LOW decision than NEACAP. Evidence? NEACAP seems to be more a "tension reliever" for peacetime, than a real command post in crisis. Remember that Air Force One took off -- without President Carter -- in the November 1979 false alert? I don't think so, though I could be wrong. Still, there have been reports that the President could not evacuate the White House rapidly enough. I believe them. But what is the point of that? > I WOULD support a command destruct option built into the ICBMs, > to be fired if indeed they were launched in error. Now, that I'm against, if it means relaxing the constraints on doing LOW, which it probably does mean. But I want to *maintain* the LOW option, so that is consistent. You won't be happy with anything less than eliminating LOWC. I'm trying to find a step that is safer than the present but which does not give up the LOW option. It fills in another rung between blue sky and nuclear war. Why is that bad? > The War Powers Act explicitly does not > restrict the ability of the President to act responsively to > immediate and sudden threat. It says he must notify Congress 48 > hours after he has committed U.S. forces to action. It *does* explicitly restrict his ability to react to a *threat*. The notification clause operates after he *responds* to armed conflict. Missiles on the way ARE armed conflict. After the President orders an LOW, the WP act says he must report to Congress. ------------------------------ Date: Thursday, 4 December 1986 08:03-EST From: Don Chiasson <CHIASSON at DREA-XX.ARPA> To: lin, arms-d Re: LOW Most of the discussion between Herb and Cliff seems to center on semantics, and I do have trouble with some of Cliff's definitions. One example is the term LOWC(apability). I find the term almost meaningless. If you have a sensor to detect launch of hostile missiles, capability to launch your own missiles in less than the flight time, and communication then you have LOWC. Or am I missing something? It might help to speak of procedures. Designing or planning various procedures does not mean that a specific one of them is policy, i.e. in effect at a given time. Policy is implemented by choosing a particular set of procedures. Depending on the situation, different sets of procedures may be in effect. Is LOW such a horrid process that it should NEVER be policy? Suppose that within a short period of time the USSR made very threatening moves at Germany, put all its SSBN's to sea, mobilized all reserves, placed all armed forces on high alert, dispersed its bombers, and evacuated its twenty largest cities. Shortly after all this happens, sensors detect a number of missiles being launched from the USSR. What do you do???? LOW may be the best option. Far fetched? Sure, but in large organizations you plan (i.e. design procedures) for as many eventualities as possible. Such contingency planning will cover many unlikely scenarios. Procedure is not the same as policy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1986 15:42 EST From: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: [GA.CJJ: ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct] Date: Friday, 5 December 1986 15:03-EST From: Clifford Johnson <GA.CJJ at forsythe.stanford.edu> To: LIN Re: ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct Lin> I WOULD support a command destruct option built into the ICBMs, Lin> to be fired if indeed they were launched in error. To clarify my opposition to this, I'm against such a mechanism only so long as a LOWC is operated. Because, as I said before, it acts as a stepping-stone that encourages, by seemingly providing a "fail-safe", LOW. But, combined with a 30-minute time lock, I'm not opposed to it. Re the 30-minute time-lock, you say "I haven't yet heard an argument I believe." Isn't it obvious that the time-lock would act as a safety, and that the very existence of a hair-trigger poses a risk of accident? Maybe you think the deterrent threat outweighs this disadvantage (I don't), but you surely can't say there's nothing in favor of the idea. To: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1986 15:44 EST From: LIN@XX.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct From: Clifford Johnson <GA.CJJ at forsythe.stanford.edu> Re: ICBM timelock/in-flight destruct Maybe you think the deterrent threat outweighs this disadvantage (I don't), but you surely can't say there's nothing in favor of the idea. I never said that. I don't like relying on LOW as a deterrent. But I do think as you described. ------------------------------ End of Arms-Discussion Digest *****************************