[net.sf-lovers] any moorcock fans out there?

stuart@webstr.DEC (legibility and comprehensibility are mutually exclusive) (07/29/85)

i've just emerged from an extended tour of the works of michael moorcock
(the two corum trilogies, the elric series, and the castle brass series), and 
i found them all quite enjoyable. the story of the 'champion eternal' that 
bridges across all the various series was one i was quite captivated by, and i 
especially liked the way that while any individual series dealt with one 
particular incarnation, fate would, at times (and in what seemed to be to be a 
very logical manner, at all times consistent with the 'laws' of that 
particular plane of the multiverse), throw a few of the incarnations from 
other series into the picture.

i'd like very much to read more sf with this feature (bug? :-)) ...
can anyone think of what other authors do this, and do it well?

*** random pet peeve ***

i don't claim to know the book purchasing habits of many people, but 
personally, if i'm going to read, say, smith's lensman series (an example of 
a series where *all* volumes are in print), i like to buy the whole thing, as 
opposed to buying it piece by piece. why, then, do bookstores rarely (in my 
experience) carry *all* the volumes of a given series? it's like selling 
single volumes page by page! 


steve 
internet 'stuart%webstr.dec@decwrl'

random quote:

"i'm only thoughts of heaven trapped in flesh and skin
 and from the world of men
 i try to tighten up the code again ..."

        -todd r, 'zen machine'

jagardner@watmath.UUCP (Jim Gardner) (07/30/85)

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The concept of the Eternal Champion shows up in a lot of unusual
places.  Moorcock almost certainly plucked his from Edgar Rice
Burroughs' John Carter of Mars series.  (Is anyone surprised?
Close to the start of the first John Carter book, Carter searches
his memory and can remember taking part in wars 200 years earlier;
he cannot, however, remember being born, nor going for any length
of time when he was not fighting some war.  He had the impression
that he had fought in "some very strange places".)  Moorcock's first
published writing was a trilogy of Martian stories that are HIGHLY
reminiscent of the John Carter series.

Other Eternal Champion stuff: Adrienne Martine-Barnes wrote a so-so
novel entitled "The Dragon Rises" in which the Dragon was clearly a
duplicate of the Eternal Champion.  The jist of the story is that
there are a few souls (known by animal names) who are constantly
summoned from another "plane" to earth in order to buy off some bad
karma those souls picked up somehow.  The Dragon is the war-like one
who must eventually find peace...although it's not as bad as that makes
it sound.

I'm just now reading The Summer Tree, an unremarkable book by Guy
Gavriel Kay (for University of Toronto students out there, you might
be pleased that the protagonists are five U. of T. students).  Just a
chapter ago, the author suggested that they would eventually meet the
Eternal Champion so maybe it will turn out to be a little interesting
after all.

By the way, once you have read sufficient heroic fantasy by Moorcock,
you are ready to read the Dancers at the End of Time trilogy in which
he mercilessly rips all his other books to comic shreds.  The hero is
the Eternal Champion again, but this time gone to decadence and being
shamelessly manipulated by yet another incarnation of the Eternal
Champion.  Lots of giggles, especially for those who can catch the
multitude of snide references to Moorcock's other work.

				Jim Gardner, University of Waterloo

nancy@MIT-HTVAX.ARPA (08/05/85)

From: nancy@MIT-HTVAX.ARPA


    I've just emerged from an extended tour of the works of Michael
    Moorcock (the two Corum trilogies, the Elric series, and the Castle
    Brass series), and I found them all quite enjoyable. The story of
    the 'champion eternal' that bridges across all the various series
    was one I was quite captivated by, and I especially liked the way
    that while any individual series dealt with one particular
    incarnation, fate would, at times (and in what seemed to be to be a
    very logical manner, at all times consistent with the 'laws' of that
    particular plane of the multiverse), throw a few of the incarnations
    from other series into the picture.

    I'd like very much to read more sf with this feature (bug? :-)) ...
    can anyone think of what other authors do this, and do it well?

The only one I can think of off hand is a Poul Anderson novel "Three
Hearts and Three Lions".  I can recommend this as a good read as well
as being on the theme you're looking for.  It's about a man who
suddenly finds himself in the world of knights and ladies with no
memory about himself.  It seems he has a job to do, and everyone
around knows who he is (but they don't know what he's planning to do)
and they try to either help or hinder him based on what they know
about him and which side they're on.

Have fun.

Nancy Connor
nancy@mit-htvax