[mod.computers.laser-printers] PostScript Printers

rusty@WEYL.BERKELEY.EDU.UUCP (07/13/86)

apparently not all postscript printers are created equal.  on the unix
tex distribution tape from the univ. washington there is a tex driver
for the the apple laserwriter.  i tried using it with the qms
postscript printer and nothing ever came out.  i can't remember if
subsequent (non-tex) jobs would print ok without powering down the
printer.

reid@DECWRL.DEC.COM.UUCP (07/15/86)

It is possible to write a PostScript program that will not work on
every printer. It is equally possible to write a Pascal program that
will not work on every computer. However, there is a set of rules, all
of which are documented, such that if you follow them, your PostScript
program will work anywhere.

In the particular case of the TeX driver, its problem is that it messes
around with the transformation matrix. The QMS 1200 printer feeds paper
long-edge-first, while the Apple printer feeds paper short-edge-first
(rotated 90 degrees from that). This means that the default
transformation matrices are different--rotated, translated, etc.

If you use "setmatrix", to forcibly stuff a transformation matrix out
there (rather than concatenating them from the default matrix), then
you will have created a machine-dependent PostScript file (unless the
matrix that you are setting was created properly).

Brian Reid

pb@ethz.UUCP.UUCP (03/24/87)

We are searching for  laser printers  with PostScript  which can also
emulate other printers, eg.   HP's  DDL.   If you  know anything like
this, please letme know.  Thanks.

Patrick Baur.

UUCP: ...!seismo!mcvax!cernvax!ethz!pb

phil@RICE.EDU.UUCP (03/25/87)

>Patrick Baur
> We are searching for  laser printers  with PostScript  which can also
> emulate other printers, eg.   HP's  DDL.

Ummmm, that's Imagen's DDL.  Perhaps you are thinking about HP's
laserjet language.  Although HP was the first to say "we will market a
printer that supports DDL"......Is such a printer out yet?  I wasn't
even aware that the DDL standard had been published yet.

DDL is supposed to be the successor to PostScript---more powerful and
versatile.  This would make a DDL emulation in PostScript hard, I would
think.  The real tragedy here is that, even if DDL is better, no one
will ever find out because the computing world has gotten so hooked on
PostScript (for better or worse).  It's the "BASIC" syndrome all over
again.

			William LeFebvre
			Department of Computer Science
			Rice University
			<phil@Rice.edu>

"Alan_D._Prochaska.OsbuSouth"@XEROX.COM.UUCP (03/27/87)

re:  "DDL is supposed to be the successor to PostScript---more powerful
and
versatile.  This would make a DDL emulation in PostScript hard, I would
think.  The real tragedy here is that, even if DDL is better, no one
will ever find out because the computing world has gotten so hooked on
PostScript (for better or worse).  It's the "BASIC" syndrome all over
again."

It is the same as our problems of trying to get Interpress accepted,
which is also a more powerful and complete pdl than PostScript, but
everybody is hooked on the latter.  Perhaps in a few years when the high
res printing marketplace grows out of its puberty it will be able to
deal with more than one pdl in public use, or even change standards.
Until then, it looks like it will be whoever can get the most
(reasonably stable) visibility the soonest.

cheers.

Alan Prochaska

til@stollco.UUCP.UUCP (04/04/87)

In article <589.phil.titan@Rice> phil@RICE.EDU (William LeFebvre) writes:
>
>DDL is supposed to be the successor to PostScript---more powerful and
>versatile.  This would make a DDL emulation in PostScript hard, I would
>think.  The real tragedy here is that, even if DDL is better, no one
>will ever find out because the computing world has gotten so hooked on
>PostScript (for better or worse).  It's the "BASIC" syndrome all over
>again.
>

   As PostScript has become the pseudostandard of the Desktop 
   Publishing industry, I would like to start a discussion about
   the advantages and disadvantages of the different page
   description languages (PostScript, Interpress, DDL, ...).
   Is there anybody on the net who can contribute some r e l e v a n t 
   facts or comments, perhaps even technical, to this discussion?

simpson@trwrb.UUCP.UUCP (04/04/87)

As for PostScript vs. DDL, I quote from the March 1987 IEEE Spectrum
magazine article "Desktop publishing: what it can and cannot do" by
Ronald K. Jurgen

     Among the typical page description languages available today for desktop
     systems are Adobe System's PostScript and Xerox Corp.'s Interpress.
     Instead of a page description language, a document-composition language
     like Imagen Corp.'s DDL may be used.  It conveys the format of a full
     document to the printer rather than describing only one page at a time.

Sounds like DDL is a somewhat different beast...
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		Scott Simpson
		TRW Electronics and Defense Sector
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