[mod.computers.vax] TCP/IP on VMS

sasaki@HARVARD.HARVARD.EDU (Marty Sasaki) (01/02/86)

I would like to rally some support from info-vax readers. I would like
to see TCP/IP from DEC. This would be well integrated with VMS mail
and other system utilities. Yes, I know that there are a few software
groups who sell TCP/IP but I think that DEC would do a better job of
integrating it with VMS.

Further, it would be nice to put the lower level details into the
DELUA (DEC's smart ethernet controller) thereby off-loading the host.

The reason that DEC isn't doing this is that they don't see a need for
it. They don't think that they would sell many copies of the software,
so it isn't feasible for them to even consider it. At a networking
session at the last DECUS symposium there were only two or three
hands raised when the speaker asked the audience about TCP/IP.

If you are interested in TCP/IP from DEC, especially running on DELUAs
then contact your sales rep and state your interest and need. If we
can convince DEC that they will make some money, then we will get
TCP/IP.

			Marty Sasaki

bzs@BOSTONU.CSNET (Barry Shein) (01/05/86)

It is also interesting to note that DEC supports full TCP/IP on two
of its other big operating systems: ULTRIX and TOPS-20. I think they
still have pipe dreams about decnot. I agree, TCP on VMS would make
my job a lot easier also as that's about all that counts around here,
we are far too heterogenous to take decnot seriously. You will be also
very shortly....

	-Barry Shein, Boston University

P.S. No flames about the current status of TOPS-20, I know, the point
is that DEC saw fit to invest their time and effort recently in this
(just being released with TOPS 6.1, we have it beta in 5.4), so surely
it couldn't be that big a deal with VMS which is supposedly their flagship
product. I suspect competing interests is what is at work here, rally them.

info-vax@ucbvax.UUCP (01/06/86)

> I would like to rally some support from info-vax readers. I would like
> to see TCP/IP from DEC ...

It is rumored that Digital may soon begin marketing TWG's TCP/IP for VMS.
Likely, TWG or DEC will modify the package slightly before this happens ...
but don't expect anything dramatic (like putting the lower level details
into the DELUA).

Even if this rumor is true, I wouldn't expect a great deal of support
from Digital for TCP/IP.  They're committed to moving DECNET towards
ISO standards -- which has nothing to do with TCP/IP.

I agree with Marty that there's probably a much larger market out there
than Digital may think, and out here we're definitely pinging on our sales
rep about this.

However ...

> ... At a networking
> session at the last DECUS symposium there were only two or three
> hands raised when the speaker asked the audience about TCP/IP.

Which should tell us something.  I didn't attend that particular session,
but at the ones I did it was clear that the mass majority were primarily
interested in DECNET.  I suspect DEC will listen more closely to them.

I'm not sure who originally said, "the wonderful thing about networking
standards is that there are so many of them," but it's true, and one
company can hardly support all of them.