[mod.computers.vax] Questions about HSC and TA81

herzlich@NGP.UTEXAS.EDU (Larry Herzlich) (05/23/86)

In reply to John Bredesen's questions about the HSC50 and TA81 (May 9):

>1) I have heard you can do physical disk to disk copies on the HSC, but can 
>   you do disk to tape (and vice versa) on the HSC without a host?

Yes, you can do it without the host however the disk must not be available
to the cluster.

>1a) If so, is the tape in backup format so it can be used by the host later
>    on?  
 
Yes, as indicated on a different reply, you can use the same BACKUP/PHYSICAL
command and yes it is much slower than doing it on the HSC.  An RA81 takes
approximately 15 to 20 minutes to backup since it copies ALL logical blocks
whether they are being used or not.  You can improve performance by having
two tape drives to eliminate rewind times.

>2) What manuals are available for the HSC software v250?

DEC has released a new manual available through the documentation group.
It contains the much needed documentation about the Utilites which was 
previously documented as "Undocumented" under the V2.50 release notes.

	DEC Part# AA-GMEAA-TK      ! approx. 300 pages

As a side note to Utilities, most of the "less obvious" utilities are best
left to field service since many of the prompts require that you know exactly
what happens to an RA81 drive when you do things to different areas on the 
disk.

>3) Has anyone heard of a newer version of the HSC software?  Is one available
>   now? Is one available soon? 

Version 3.00 should be released any day now. (I'm holding my breath!)  It's
interesting to note that this will be the same release number for HSC70 
owners too.  It seems that DEC always starts their software levels with v1.00.
Another change is that you will be receiving your "Software" (get away from
the term MicroCode) through SDC so updates won't be coming through
field service.  See your sales rep. so they can register you as an HSC owner
and also get Volume Shadowing software sent to you. Remember to buy the 
distribution kit and documentation even though current owners or those with
HSC's on order, will receive the license free.

>4) What is the performance of the TA81 tied to an HSC versus a TA81 tied
>   straight to the VAX?

First, you must remember that the BACKUP on the HSC is different from the
one under VMS.  HSC BACKUP does not do ECC or XOR correction that is normally
done under VMS.  Second, the HSC is driving the TA81 about as fast as it can
go doing seek ordering as usual and actually transferring clusters of logical
blocks.  Under VMS the HSC must still do it's job and talk to the CPU.

Now a question to you is: Do you really want to do HSC backups?  If you need
your disk accessible to the cluster at ALL times then HSC backup isn't for 
you.  If you need to store your backups for long periods of time and then 
hope to restore from them, then you may have problems because of media
degredation and the HSC's intolerance to these errors.

On the other hand, with volume shadowing in our hands (you have to pay
for the Doc.), it will be easy to take one drive offline, back it up and
let shadowing catch us up.  With the speed of the HSC backup, the
offline time is minimal.

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Now that you've read this far, I'd like to receive any mail about HSC 
weirdness, madness or other interesting tidbits.  I gave the session on
HSC Management in a VAXcluster at Dallas and will be sending my slides to
the DECUS Proceedings.  I need any information to update the state of the
HSC from a System Manager's point of view.

Sincerely,

Larry Herzlich
University of Texas, Computation Center
Austin Texas 78712-1111
(512) 471-3241
	
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