[mod.computers.vax] VMS <--> Tops-20 DECnet

EC0N@TE.CC.CMU.EDU (Eric R. Crane) (08/05/86)

First a quick description of our situation...

We have 2 DECnet links from V4.2 VMS systems to V5.4 Tops-20 systems.
The first link it a pair of 1Mb DMC-11's, and the other is a pair of
DMR-11's at 1Mb in DMC compatability mode.  What we see on our these
systems when we start DECnet is the DN20 says the circuit is
"starting" and the Vax says "Syncronizing".  The DMC link has been in
use for 5 months and just stopped working last week. That is the
problem. 

What we have tried doing to isolate or fix these problems is check out
all of the DMR's and DMC's involed by connecting them to other
systems, looping back at the local system, and looping back at the
remote system.  All of these seem to work just fine when we are
talking 20 to 20 or Vax to Vax.

Has anyone else had this type of problem?  We have not changed any
software on any of the systems involved for over 2 months.

- Eric Crnae
  Carnegie Mellon
  Computation Center
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sy.Ken@CU20B.COLUMBIA.EDU (Ken Rossman) (08/05/86)

  We have 2 DECnet links from V4.2 VMS systems to V5.4 Tops-20 systems.  The
  first link it a pair of 1Mb DMC-11's, and the other is a pair of DMR-11's
  at 1Mb in DMC compatability mode.  What we see on our these systems when we
  start DECnet is the DN20 says the circuit is "starting" and the Vax says
  "Syncronizing".  The DMC link has been in use for 5 months and just stopped
  working last week. That is the problem.  Has anyone else had this type of
  problem?  We have not changed any software on any of the systems involved
  for over 2 months. 

Eric, we had this problem with a VAX at the Chemistry department (and are
currently having this problem talking to you guys!).  If you put a data
scope on the line, you will see the following:

START
	START
STACK
	ACK
DATA(router-init)

(10 second or so pause -- timeout -- same sequence over and over again).

We never did fix our problem with the Chemistry VAX -- we just put them on
Ethernet instead and forgot about the VAX.  As with you guys, this problem
came seemingly out of nowhere and just stuck with us, no matter what we
tried, it would seem.

I will tell you some things that DID work, though.  We originally had a KDP
(DUP11/KMC11 combination) in our DN20 plugged into the DMR11 in a VAX/780.
This was the combination that stopped working.  We then tried plugging our
DN20 into the VAX/730 at Chem, which also had a DMR11, and lo and behold,
the link came up.  I have no idea why, as the software running on both was
supposedly the same, and I don't know what else could have been different
between the 780 and the 730.  So we just ran for awhile plugged into the
730, and later, swapped to an Ethernet LAN bridge and dropped the synch
connection altogether.

Another thing that worked on the 780 was to drop back a version of VMS.
Again, I don't know what changed in that version.

In any case, Eric, as I said, this seems to be what's happening between CU
and CMU now, as well as (I would guess) locally at your site.

You and I should get together and take a close look at the problem.

/Ken
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